March 1, 2015
Dear President Monson, President Eyring, and President Uchtdorf,
My name is Brett Wilcox. I am a life-long member of the Church. I am writing to you on behalf of the Latter-day Saints from around the world who share concerns related to vaccinations and the Church’s blanket endorsement of vaccines. I am hopeful that you will be receptive to our concerns and that you will consider the difficulties some of us experience due to the Church’s pro-vaccine position. By way of disclosure, I am not necessarily anti-vaccine or non-vaccinating, but I am absolutely anti-vaccine corruption and anti-mandatory vaccine. Stated in the affirmative, I am pro-vaccine informed consent and pro-vaccine choice.
As you know, the topic of vaccines has recently risen to national attention and far too often to vitriolic debate. Members of the Church are seeking Church counsel on the subject and many are, no doubt, choosing to vaccinate their children based on the Church’s prominent statements in support of “immunization campaigns.”(1)
Indeed, Church statements are so strong that many members of the Church will likely arrive at the facile conclusion that God is pro-vaccine and choosing not to vaccinate is in violation of God’s will.
Many members of the Church disagree. And contrary to what the First Presidency has stated in the past, our opposition to vaccines does not stem from ignorance or apathy.(2) Members or not, as a whole those who choose not to vaccinate possess higher than average levels of education, and in our increasingly coercive vaccine culture, abstaining from vaccines requires a vigilant and courageous pro-active stance.(3)
I respectfully suggest that it’s critical for the Church to support Latter-day Saints who choose not to vaccinate and I offer seven points in support of this suggestion.
1. Agency
Agency is one of the fundamental doctrines of the Church. Pharmaceutical companies and the U.S. government promote a one-size-fits-all vaccination policy. Vaccine exemptions are under attack, including religious exemptions.(4-6)
The American Medical Association’s Code of Ethics protects the right of physicians to abstain from vaccines for medical, religious, and philosophic reasons.(7) However some doctors subject non-vaccinating parents to abuse or deny medical care when those parents exercise their right to decline vaccines for medical, religious, or philosophic reasons. In addition, parents have lost custody of their children for refusing to vaccinate.(8) People have declared that parents of unvaccinated children should be fined or jailed.(9) Health care workers have been fired for refusing the flu vaccine.(10) Teachers, daycare employees, and others are targeted as well.(11) These events foreshadow the advancement of a vaccine police state summarized in a recent draft of the government’s “National Adult Immunization Plan.”(12)
Any government that has the power to force its citizens to submit to medical interventions that carry the risk of injury or death has too much power. Unless we believe that God mandates vaccines and approves of punishing non-vaccinators, then the U.S. government’s move to further restrict vaccine choice is a clear violation of our God-given agency.
2. The Church’s pro-vaccine position jeopardizes non-vaccinators’ agency
Every U.S. state provides different vaccine exemptions. Utah provides three exemptions: philosophical, medical, and religious. All but two states, Mississippi and West Virginia, offer religious exemptions. Alaska, the state in which my family and I live, provides two: medical and religious.(13) Medical exemptions are growing increasingly difficult to obtain and require a doctor’s signature. This means the only exemption option parents have in Alaska and several other states is the religious exemption.
The official religious exemption form in Alaska reads as follows: “I/We affirm that immunization conflicts with the tenets and practices of the Church or religious denomination of which the applicant/parent/guardian is a member.”(14)
In addition, many health care organizations across the nation—including my employer—have implemented mandatory flu vaccine policies. The religious exemption form my employer provided includes the same language as quoted above and also requires that I submit the name and contact information of my local ecclesiastical leader.
The Church’s unequivocal support of vaccines provides no support for its members’ religious-based opposition to mandatory flu vaccines for health care employees or mandatory vaccines for children. Indeed, the Church’s pro-vaccine policy works against members who would otherwise be able to claim a religious exemption.
I am grateful to the administrators at my place of employment who generously approved my religious exemption, but no doubt there are other Latter-day Saints who have been fired under similar circumstances because the Church does not appear to support its members’ rights to exercise their agency and decline vaccinations based on religious beliefs. If the Church truly values agency, it must demonstrate that value by declaring that Church members have the right to decline vaccines in accordance with their religious beliefs.
3. Moral and ethical challenges
Vaccines present moral and ethical challenges for some members. Following are a few of these challenges:
• Vaccine development sometimes involves the use of aborted fetal tissue and some vaccines include “human diploid cells.”(15,16) Some members do not want to participate in an industry dependent upon the use of aborted babies.
• In addition to fetal tissue, some members believe that God does not want their bodies or the bodies of the babies injected with neurotoxins, heavy metals, animal tissues, genetically modified organisms, live or attenuated viruses, cleansers, adjuvants, stabilizers, preservatives, etc.(16) They believe that those substances compromise their immune systems and destroy their health. They believe that there is nothing in vaccines that improves their health. They believe that God designed their bodies to function perfectly well without injecting foreign and toxic substances directly into their blood supply. And they believe that doing so violates the will of God.
• Vaccine manufacturers use unethical practices that would never be sanctioned in U.S.-based research as they conduct vaccine clinical trials on poor people in developing countries.(17,18)
• Vaccines injure and kill an unknown and uncounted number of vaccine recipients.(19) Some members refuse to participate in a system that willingly and knowingly sacrifices its most vulnerable participants for “the greater good.”
4. One size doesn’t fit all
Church members live throughout the world and vaccination schedules vary by country. Overall, those schedules have been increasing with the U.S. leading the way with one of the most aggressive vaccination schedules in the world.(20)
While the Church may issue a blanket endorsement of “immunizations,” the implications of that endorsement vary by country and indeed by time.
One or two vaccines from the 1950s had swollen to 34 doses of 11 different vaccines by the year 2000.(21) Today American children receive 69 doses of vaccines for 16 different viral and bacterial illnesses.(22)
But the industry is just getting started, boasting in a 2013 report that “nearly 300 vaccines are in development.”(23) Some of these include: “hepatitis C and E, syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, HIV, cytomegalovirus, entrovirus, ecoli, adenovirus, obesity, high blood pressure, acne, [and] tooth decay.”(24)
Furthermore, five major institutions including the World Health Organization have been developing anti-fertility vaccines for over two decades.(25) Women and girls of childbearing age in developing countries have been duped into receiving such vaccines.(26-28) The Church’s pro-vaccine stance renders girls and women vulnerable to “the evils and designs of conspiring men” who fund and facilitate such unscrupulous vaccination practices.
In addition to infertility vaccines, LDS parents around the world have legitimate concerns that call into question the wisdom of the Church’s support of a one-size-fits-all vaccination recommendation. Consider some of these concerns from the USA:
• The government specifically targets pregnant women, describing them as an “adult population” and advising them to receive vaccines that are not approved for infants, let alone for developing fetuses.(12)
• The Hepatitis B vaccine is administered on the day of birth and provides immunity from seven to twelve years. Prostitutes and IV drug users are most at risk of contracting Hepatitis B. How many of our children will become IV drug-using prostitutes within the first twelve years of their lives?(29)
• The CDC recommends that 11 and 12-year old girls and boys receive the Gardasil vaccine to protect against genital warts and cancers of the reproductive system.(30) Teens who engage in unsafe sex are most at risk of contracting the viruses that lead to these diseases. As of June 2014, more than 35,000 adverse events to the Gardasil vaccine have been reported.(31) Experts agree that only one to ten percent of adverse events are reported.(32,33) Should LDS parents subject their children to this vaccine?
• Should parents who have lost a child to vaccines vaccinate their other children?
• Should parents who have a vaccine-injured child continue to give that child additional vaccines according to the schedule?
• Should children who have genetic vulnerabilities to vaccines receive vaccines regardless of those vulnerabilities?
• Should children who are immunocompromised receive vaccines?
Clearly the government’s one-size-fits-all vaccination policy is flawed and dangerous. And the Church’s endorsement of this policy is equally flawed and dangerous.
It’s time for the Church to acknowledge that individual circumstances vary and that members have the right, responsibility, and stewardship to make vaccination choices based on their circumstances, not on ever changing and ever increasing national mandates.
5. The vaccines-are-safe-and-effective myth
The government ruled in 1986 that parents of vaccine-injured children could no longer file suit against vaccine manufacturers. It established a body commonly known as the “Vaccine Court” in which parents of vaccine-injured or deceased children could submit their cases for review and compensation.(34) Even though it is tremendously difficult to prove vaccine injury, to date the vaccine court has paid out over $3 billion in compensation to such people.(35) No wonder the U.S. Supreme Court declared in 2011 that vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe.”(36)
Vaccine defenders routinely claim that vaccine injuries are extremely rare. Yet, the U.S.A. ranks 30th in infant mortality and according to the non-profit group Save the Children, “The United States has the highest first-day infant death rate out of all the industrialized countries in the world.”(37) Rates of ADHD, asthma, allergies, autism, eczema, diabetes, cancers, infertility, autoimmune disorders, and developmental delays are skyrocketing. It would be foolish to claim that vaccines are the sole cause of these problems, but it would be even more foolish to continue to claim that our aggressive vaccine schedule doesn’t play a part in the declining health of our posterity. One need look no further than the National Library of Medicine’s pubmed.gov to see that researchers link vaccines to more than 200 distinct adverse health effects, including death.(38)
In addition, we now know that the artificial immunity produced from vaccines is only temporary which means that adults have no more immunity to infectious diseases than the unvaccinated.(39) The government plans to solve this problem by implementing a coercive cradle-to-grave, one-size-fits-all vaccination program.(12)
We know that viruses mutate, rendering vaccines against specific diseases ineffective.(40,41) We know that vaccinated children shed vaccine viruses for a period of time after vaccination, spreading the disease to others.(42) That would explain why Johns Hopkins Hospital gives immunocompromised individuals the following advice: “Tell friends and family who are sick, or have recently had a live vaccine (such as chicken pox, measles, rubella, intranasal influenza, polio or smallpox) not to visit. . . . Avoid contact with children who were recently vaccinated.”(43)
We know that reduced rates of chickenpox due to the vaccine have resulted in an increased rate of shingles among young people and that the U.K. does not use the chickenpox vaccine because the risks exceed the benefits.(44) We know that vaccinated breastfeeding mothers do not pass on the same level of immunity as the mothers who have natural immunity. We know that disease outbreaks occur in highly vaccinated communities, calling into question the efficacy of vaccines and the theory of herd immunity.(45)
Our overzealous use of vaccines may one day result in the mutation of viruses for which we cannot vaccinate. We have a similar scenario currently developing due to our overzealous use of antibiotics.
One particularly contentious and politicized medical concern is the part vaccines play in the current autism epidemic American children are experiencing. The American Medical Association reported in the 1970s that the U.S. autism rate was one in 2,500.(46) Today one in 68 U.S. children have autism and one Senior Research Scientist at MIT states that one in two children born in 2025 will develop autism.(47,48)
Nearly 100 studies implicate the rising number of vaccines as a contributing factor in the autism epidemic.(49) The Amish don’t vaccinate and their autism rate is just above zero.(50) The CDC has known of the vaccine/autism relationship since at least 2001.(51) In August 2014, a high-level CDC whistleblower declared that the CDC had hidden data linking the MMR vaccine to autism.(52) Doctors who treat and reverse autism do it, in part, by removing heavy metals from the body, the same heavy metals found in vaccines.(53-56)
If the Church’s medical advisors dispute these facts, go easy on them; they’re suffering from “ignorance and apathy” as well as dangerous levels of industry indoctrination.
6. Industry/government corruption
The Book of Mormon provides a detailed account of bandits known as the Gadianton robbers. These robbers had entered into a secret pact to murder and steal “to get gain.” We are taught that our knowledge of the Gadianton robbers was preserved as a warning to us in these days. Today’s pharmaceutical industry makes the Gadianton robbers look like school kids by comparison. In the past five years alone, drug makers have paid the U.S. government $19.2 billion in criminal and civil fraud penalties.(57) Industry executives are indeed guilty of murdering and stealing “to get gain.” They do this through government corruption, conflicts of interest, sham research, preying upon poor families in developing countries, and an industry/government revolving door. The vaccine industry in particular operates with no accountability and no liability.(58)
When we participate in the vaccination system, we are complicit in the poisoning of every person who participates in the system. How? When we vaccinate, we conduct business with modern day Gadianton robbers.(59) We maintain the demand for thimerosal, formaldehyde and other toxic chemicals. We give our consent to the industry and the government to continue poisoning their customers and constituents, our children and our grandchildren.
The government has declared its intentions to target people of faith “through faith-based organizations and individual faith communities,” because faith-based organizations “can deliver education that is culturally sensitive and tailored to specific subpopulations.”(12)
In 2013 the New York Archdiocese of the Catholic Church locked arms with modern-day Gadianton robbers by denying vulnerable members the right to claim a religious-based exemption.(60)
Will the LDS Church follow suit? Will its leaders and spokespersons become “immunization champions” as the government proposes or will they stand up and say no to our corrupt and dangerous vaccine system?(12)
7. Liability
Vaccination is a medical procedure that carries the risk of injury or death. The Church has no more medical authority to instruct its members to receive vaccines than it has to instruct its members to receive heart surgery. Such instruction has already resulted in injury and death among its members. As previously stated, the government has paid out over $3 billion in compensation for vaccine related injuries and deaths. If it hasn’t already happened, the day will come when Church members will seek compensation from the Church for the harm they experienced because they followed the Church’s medical advice to vaccinate.
In recent years, the U.S. government has successfully chipped away at our individual liberties. Far too few of us are yet aware that the government is destroying our medical liberties as well. We blindly follow behind an army of vaccination pied pipers, rushing toward a vaccination precipice. Some have already fallen over the edge. Among the victims we find the unemployed and unemployable, the diseased, the chronically injured, the brain damaged, and the dead. In the future we may also find the imprisoned.
As Church leaders, you have the moral obligation to oppose governmental and medical tyranny. You have the moral obligation to divest Church-owned stocks and sever business relationships with the companies that profit from that tyranny. Should you fail to do so, you risk losing all moral authority.
The pied pipers will soon pass their newest pipes to you. Will you play their instruments of propaganda as expected and lead your people off the cliff?
On behalf of all freedom-cherishing members of the Church and all such Americans, I implore you to seize this opportunity to stand for vaccine truth, vaccine informed consent, and vaccine choice. Show that support by condemning vaccine corruption and compulsion. Issue a strong statement in support of members’ rights to receive or decline any and all vaccines “according to the dictates of their own conscience” and their unique personal circumstances.
Thank you for considering this crucial matter.
Sincerely,
Brett Wilcox
Sitka, Alaska
P.S. to readers added 3.9.15:
I am solely responsible for the content of my letter to the First Presidency. I stand by the wording. I knew before posting the letter that some would find it offensive. I knew some would accuse me of heresy. I knew some would wish ill upon me and my family. I am not responsible for the myriad reactions my letter has produced. I am pleased that 5000 people have “Liked” it and 1,500 people have shared it. That said, I am not leading a cause, I am not encouraging divisiveness, but I am hopeful that people will at least consider that the issue is far more complex and involves far more than just the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Corporate and governmental interests have stolen some of our most basic liberties in recent years. Stealing our right to determine our own medical care is beyond horrifying! If we don’t resist the theft of our liberties, then we are complicit with that theft.
I have little hope that the First Presidency will ever see my letter. They get far too much correspondence to read and respond to every letter. If, however, they get many letters addressing the same issue, they will be more likely to consider the issue.
I expressed myself as I deemed appropriate in my letter. Whether you like or abhor the tone of my letter, little will come of it unless other people write as well. If you support mandatory cradle to grave vaccinations, write the Brethren if you feel so inclined. If you oppose any and all vaccines, write the Brethren if you feel so inclined. If you believe that people who write letters to the Church are Satan’s spawn, write the Church (or not) as you feel so inclined. I’m all about honoring your agency. I’m merely asking the Church to show support for members’ rights to honor our agency as well. Without that support, Latter-day Saints will find themselves unable to “qualify” for religious exemptions to vaccines.
An official statement acknowledging that people have the right to determine their own medical care would help members deal with each other with more compassion and understanding. Most of us already know that we have that right, but based on some of the comments, some people believe that God supports any and all vaccines produced by America’s legal drug cartels.
I have found little to be gained by arguing with people who view this issue differently than I. I am months behind schedule in completing my second book on genetically modified organisms. I’ve got to get back on schedule, which means I may or may not respond to further comments. I maintain the right to delete any comments that are egregiously malicious, but thus far I’ve posted every comment made . . . regardless.
If you feel inclined to metaphorically burn me at the stake for apostasy, so be it. But focusing on me or my (un)worthiness or the state in which I reside detracts from the deeper issues at hand.
Please remember that we are in unison on wanting what is best for our families, even though we may disagree on how to achieve what is best.
Many organic blessings to each and every one of you!
Brett
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Notes
1. “Church Leaders on Child Immunization,” LDS Living, February 7, 2015, (Apparently, LDS Living removed this article from their site. It can still be read at the link): https://web.archive.org/web/20160305023205/http://www.ldsliving.com/Church-Leaders-on-Child-Immunization/s/78000/http://ldsliving.com/story/78000-church-leaders-parents-have-an-obligation-to-protect-their-families-through-immunization
2. “Immunize Children, Leaders Urge,” Liahona, July 1978, https://www.lds.org/liahona/1978/07/immunize-children-leaders-urge?lang=eng
3. Emily Foxhall, “Parents who oppose measles vaccine hold firm to their beliefs,” LA Times, January 25, 2015, http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-measles-oc-20150126-story.html#page=1
4. Louise Kuo Habakus, “Religious Exemption to Vaccination Under Attack,” Middletown Patch, October 13, 2012, http://patch.com/new-jersey/middletown-nj/bp–religious-exemption-to-vaccination-under-attack-if9968a3b4c
5. “You Need to Act Now – Vaccine Exemptions and Mandates Threatened in Even More States,” National Vaccine Information Center, February 23, 2015, http://www.nvicadvocacy.org/members/National/ActionAlertDetails.aspx?itemid=649&Page=True
6. “Vaccine Mandates: Your Right to Informed Consent Is Under Attack Starting with Oregon SB 442-3,” Thinking Moms’ Revolution, February 27, 2015, http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/vaccine-mandates-right-informed-consent-attack-starting-oregon-sb-442-3/#comment-115625
7. “Opinion 9.133 Routine Universal Immunization of Physicians,” American Medical Association, http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/physician-resources/medical-ethics/code-medical-ethics/opinion9133.page
8. “Cry For Vaccine Freedom Wall,” National Vaccine Information Center, http://www.nvic.org/Forms/Cry-For-Vaccine-Freedom-Wall.aspx
9. Mac Slavo, “Measles Police State: “Parents who do not vaccinate their children should go to jail,” Freedom Outpost, January 30, 2015, http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/01/measles-police-state-parents-not-vaccinate-children-go-jail/
10. “Hospitals crack down on staff refusing flu shots,” CBS News, January 12, 2013, http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hospitals-crack-down-on-staff-refusing-flu-shots/
11. Dawn Richardson, “2014 State Vaccine Legislation in America: Battle Lines Are Drawn & Your Participation is Needed!” National Vaccine Information Center, February 11, 2014, http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/February-2014/2014-State-Vaccine-Legislation-in-America—Battle.aspx
12. “National Adult Immunization Plan,” National Vaccine Program Office, February 5, 2015, http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/national_adult_immunization_plan_final.pdf
13. “State Law & Vaccine Requirements,” National Vaccine Information Center, http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx
14. “State of Alaska CHILD CARE & SCHOOL IMMUNIZATION REQUIREMENTS Packet,” June 2013, http://www.epi.hss.state.ak.us/id/iz/factsheet/IZReqPacket2013.pdf
15. “Vatican Document,” immunize.org, June 9, 2005, http://www.immunize.org/concerns/vaticandocument.htm
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17. “Human Lab Rats – Exploiting the world’s poor for clinical trials,” Journeyman Pictures, November 4, 2013, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-a6_x3EvM8
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Our local radio station had a doctor on as a guest several weeks ago. She has been studying the correlation between Autism and GMO/Roundup. Eating GMO foods when combined with our immunizations, creates the perfect cocktail in some children. I know of a woman who had her first child immunized and he ended up autistic. Her second child was not immunized and did not end up autistic. Her third child was immunized and ended up autistic also.
Did you know that multiple research studies had already concluded that vaccines did NOT cause autism as far back as 1990? [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK234363/pdf/TOC.pdf] Since that time, over 100 additional research studies, published in peer-reviewed journals, confirmed it over and over again.
Some might claim some sort of conspiracy, but it’s hard to justify that when scientists from the U.S., Japan, Israel, Iran, South Africa, (and on and on) are all coming to the same conclusions through their own independent studies.
I’m sorry that the friend’s kids are autistic, but whatever the cause, it wasn’t the vaccines.
You can’t say that conclusively cause there is conflicting science. The studies are only as good as the honesty of those doing them. If you dive very far into the world of medical research, it isn’t hard to find corruption. Follow the money. Also, I can’t tell you how many doctors I’ve interviewed that used to very adamantly believe what you’re saying, among other things the industry claims, until they stumbled upon corruption themselves. Some of them tried to expose it and were completely blacklisted and their careers destroyed or greatly damaged.
Also, its a huge insult to a parent’s intuition to tell them they don’t know what the heck happened to their kid. You really trust the industry more than parents? What do the parents have to gain from saying their kid was injured by vaccines or that vaccines are questionable at best? To question parental motive MORE than industry motive is pretty ignorant and naive.
You are saying to trust parents on a health issues over health professionals? Do you trust pet owners or vets? Or drivers over mechanics? Or parents over nutritionists? I don’t even want to know who you trust over stuctuaral and mechanical engineers. Health professions know what more about health issues. That is fact. I do agree about the corruption. But the majority of healthcare workers can’t be corrupt.
Doctors only know what they are taught, and unfortunately they are taught the ways of “conspiring men”. Listen to this and learn some truth about our “wonderful” doctors, who manage our health with no intention of a cure.
https://soundcloud.com/dddl/dddl
God blessed mothers with intuition, with the gut feeling. Our Dr. always said that a mother knows. . . That ‘gut feeling, intuition’ is being destroyed by design. I had the gut feeling when my children were little in the late ’70 early ’80 that vaccines were not safe. But the Dr.s pressure you into it. They use scare tactics, that is how they were trained and educated at the Rockefeller Medical Schools. The allopathic medical system or Rockefeller Medicine that we have today has only been around a little over a hundred years. Before that we had natural, herbal, chiropractic etc. If you stop and look around you, I dare say that you will see vaccine damage all around. Have you ever heard the encephalitic cry, the high pitched crying that many babies and children have after being vaccinated. Most of the ingredients in vaccines are neurotoxins. They cross the blood brain barrier.
If you do the history on vaccines. . . they did not eradicate childhood diseases. Study the industrial revolution, and the Rockefeller Medical Men. It was clean water, food, good hygiene. Cleaning up the sewage in the back yards. We need to get back to common sense and be responsible for ourselves. Expecting someone else to tell us what to do and think is very foolish and irresponsible.
“Health care” workers are taught very little if anything at all about health. Just ask them how many hours of health or nutrition they received in their training. They are primarily taught how to prescribe legalized drugs that generally cause more harm by way of negative side effects , including addictions and seizures. Docs are great for critical care but for disease or health conditions, most dont have a clue how to address the cause so the miraculous body can do what it’s designed to do. And they wouldn’t be taking kick backs from drug companies to push their toxic vaccines…just for starters. I could go on all week about this topic.
Spot on. I used to believe the FDA on the safety of drugs but this corona vaccine fiasco has opened my eyes. There are so many lies by the pharmaceutical industry about the actual harm their drugs do, it’s about the $$$. Many drugs are released on the public only to be withdrawn later, but they have already injured or killed many. Think Bextra, Chantix, Thalidomide and there are others. Covid vax stats are extremely concerning, please look at the VAERS report. Then look at natural immunity, which is 27 times more lasting than the vax, but never accepted in lieu of the injection. Why? And why are we not allowing church members to use their agency on these things? Our family all have natural immunity and do not need the vaccine. Also, masks do not work. Why are vaccinated people still catching and spreading the virus? I do fear the Church will be sued by those who are vaccine injured. I also wonder if it is time to slow down my Church participation until this thing blows over. Are they now saying not to seek the Holy Ghost for guidance your own situation?
Terrie, Thank you for your comment. The current mess is certainly opening more eyes. Unfortunately, it also seems that the blind are more blind than ever.
This is completely false. There have been many studies that show the link of vaccines and autism. I personally know of a child who declined right after the vaccine and can not function as a child should. He is tortured in his own mind. Countless parents have seen this happen to their children right before their eyes. You need to open your eyes and really search for the truth. The D&C says in section 89 that…In consequence of evil designs which do and will exist in the hearts of CONSPIRING men in the last days… William Thompson of the CDC has admitted to fraud and coverups linking autism to the MMR vaccine. Is this not conspiring men, knowingly harming children and covering it up?
Watch Brian Deer and the GMC, Selective hearing on utube. Andrew Wakefield never committed fraud and his partner was exonerated of committing fraud recently. He has asked to have a debate publicly , but nobody was willing to do that because he knows too much. He continues to help the parents and their children who suffer with autism. Satan is very deceiving. We need to be careful who we support and truly search for truth.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-media-blackout-italian-courts-rule-vaccines-cause-autism/5430940
Follow the money.
Medicine is the third preventable cause of death in the United States. Why would you trust them?
Brian are you saying that YOU>>>TRUST this government? Are YOU saying that I should NOT have the FREE AGENCY to CHOOSE if I want to vaccinate MY children… Along with ALL Americans?? Don’t you get it? THIS Government IS EVIL…it’s satans time! And to you; Brett Wilcox. Thank-you so much for speaking TRUTH to POWER! Ever since I joined the LDS church I ‘SAW things’ that seemed CONTRARY to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I attended BYU…. boy was that an eye-opener!!! Here’s a couple quick conclusions: First IF YOU want to know WHY the LDS church is the way it is…Read @Thes. 2:10-12. IF YOU care to SEE IT ALL PLAIN AS DAY… Then read at least the FIRST 3 chapters of Isaiah….BUT YOU MUST APPLY WHAT IT IS SAYING TO THE PRESENT LDS CHURCH! This IS a ‘KEY’ (and OBVIOUS to those that are ‘seekers of truth’!) Closing thought: Watch out WHO and WHAT >>YOU>> “SUSTAIN” >>> by the Arm-to-the-Square and by your VOICE! While your at it… The LDS church changed it’s Abortion ‘policy’…. Now a LDS woman and LDS doctor can abort (MURDER) one of Heavenly Fathers 100% PURE children>>> IF it was ‘conceived’ by ‘rape or incest’…NO MATTER THAT THE BABY IS PURE and INNOCENT!!!! (Things are MUCH WORSE than most LDS realize!!! >>>> “AWAKE from YOUR AWFUL situation.”
D&C 112 is at the door-steps! Onward & Upward….
Your caps lock seems to be malfunctioning.
There are 87 families that have been awarded compensation from the U.S. government for their vaccine induced autism and ‘autism like’ conditions.
sorry, typo. 83 families.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/83-cases-of-autism-associated-with-childhood-vaccine-injury-compensated-in-federal-vaccine-court-121570673.html
“Did you know that multiple research studies had already concluded that vaccines did NOT cause autism as far back as 1990?”
Did you know that these so-called studies are not independent, but conducted by the vaccine manufacturers? That is equivalent to the tobacco industry claiming that cigarette smoking is not harmful to your health.
This is not opinion, it is a fact. When the FDA approves a drug, they do so based upon the drug manufacturers own, internal studies. Of course they would never lie, obfuscate and manipulate data in order to make billions of dollars, now would they.
Surely it is only the tobacco industry that would ever lie, right? Well, the vaccine industry has been fined more than any other industry to the amount of billions and billions of dollars for fraud and illegal activities related to falsifying the very studies that you trust implicitly.
Yet you ask us to trust them and their studies, and actually have the unmitigated gall to state that this poor sister’s children referenced above were not damaged by vaccines as if you were as omniscient as God Himself, or as if it is impossible for the vaccines to have done the damage because in your mind vaccines can’t possibly cause damage and death.
Amazingly, you wink at the fact that the vaccine manufacturers, the government, doctors, scientists, and any thinking person KNOWS that vaccines do cause death and injury. The only question is how much death and damage they do.
Big Pharma isn’t fined, nor can it be sued, since an act of congress in 1986. Thanks Reagan!
depends on who you believe. the CDC, and the WHO or others statistics. i saw a woman that posted in a group on facebook saying she talked to the PR from church headquarters. she asked them about the churches stances on vaccines. she said the PR representative told her that the brethren are basing their approval and encouragement of vaccines off of statistics they agree with and in trusting the US government and CDC statistics and studies.
there have been whistle blowers from merck, the CDC and from big pharma companies. what would someone from the CDC have to gain by coming out and saying that the CDC was covering up data that links autism to the MMR vaccine if it wasnt true? what do they gain? they lose their job, and most people think they are crazy and stupid. these are doctors and scientists that are qualified. they know how to interpret studies. some of these people have PHDS. so when one of them says “i have stopped lying” and explains how his boss in the CDC has told him to not talk about the autism link, i think he knows what he is talking about. its not complicated, or hard to see if data is being omitted. so what makes more sense to me? that the whistle blowers are telling the truth.
its david vs. goliath. all the money, universities and most of the media is already in support for various reasons of vaccines being safe and effective. so any study that is done that proves that they are not is belittled, or “debunked”, or say that the doctor who is claiming it is a quack. merck makes billions. there is already so much corruption behind the government and the NWO agenda that goes far beyond vaccines. so you need to decide whos statistics and studies you will believe, and what makes the most sense to you.
i believe the vaccines are harmful, and i am in full support of this letter going to the brethren.
Did you know that vaccinations are always changing and they are not the same as they were in the 1990’s?….the ingredients are different… so to say that they found a study that proved this or that is inaccurate. both could be right or both could be wrong. freedom of options
Actually, none of the studies “conclude that vaccines don’t cause autism.” They say, “we found no evidence,” which means something VERY different, particularly when you actually read the studies and find out how they were actually set up (comparing two groups of fully-vaccinated children, comparing the number of antigens received rather than the amount of mercury and/or aluminum, comparing vaccine uptake data in one city with the autism rate in another, etc., none of which can possibly show evidence of ANYTHING).
So many well-meaning individuals parrot what they’ve heard on the news, which is nothing more than a carefully-scripted statement by the vaccine industry itself, passed on to health officials (many of whom started out in the vaccine industry, which is a clear conflict of interest right there).
So true the legal-ease they use to not specifically lie while avoiding directly admitting what they know is there if we have eyes to see.
Dr. Thompson was one of the people okay the vaccines for use. He has now apologized for causing all the harm and the autism. He is tormented by the fact that he and the other drs. destroyed the papers proving that the vaccines were harmful, and he feels responsible for ruining so many lives. There are lots more whistle blowers who contradict what you believe.
Watch the documentary Vaxxed. You’ve been lied to and William Thompson PhD of the Cdc tells about it. There is a link and they covered it up.
“Cause” in this situation is a legal term that would cause them to be liable.
Here’s an analogy I have been working over a bit to help differentiate the idea of causality vs. triggering. I know it needs work but it works if you are open to critically thinking about how corporations avoid liability.
The legal definition of “cause” allows them to say “doesn’t cause autism” because legal causality has a specific standard of proof.
Here’s the analogy – Fact: Matches don’t cause forest fires. A match is lit through a chemical process which alone doesn’t cause forest fires. Matches lit in a forest don’t cause forest fires…the chemical process to light a match then touched to fuel can trigger a chemical process cascade that results in a forest fire. However, since not every lit match touched to a fuel source ends in a forest fire then they do not cause them in a fully legal sense and the Forest Service could not sue Ohio Blue Tip or Diamond for “causing” forest fires . Why? Some fuel doesn’t light, some is just not close enough to other fuel, some fuel is a weaker form, too dense, no kindling to increase the flame volume, still other fuel doesn’t react to the small flame at all.
The match is the vaccine, the fuel is the brain and body. The chemical process it triggers is different in every person. Some kids are unaffected, some are fine with a few burned spots, others are devastated to the point of never being able to grow anything ever again. We’d call those burn scars or scorched earth.
In the vaccine inserts they call it “encephalitis” or brain swelling from high fevers which is a known way brain damage occurs which is very much like Autism (another legally specific diagnosis).
Autism is diagnosed by a set of defined symptoms that we know can occur from a multitude of causes (birth trauma, genetics, toxicity, etc.) so there will never be a single cause of Autism. Not all kids with ASD have a genetic abnormality, but many do. Not all kids with ASD had birth trauma, but some did.
If anyone ever tells you they know something always DOES or DOES NOT cause Autism, they are either misinformed or lying.
Who paid for those studies I wonder?
The CDC admitted last year that vaccines ARE related to autism. They also removed their narrative that vaccines do not cause autism. And now with this toxic poison Covid vaccine, it causes death and life long injuries.
I agree with each and every word , I have a vaccine injured child who is now a confused transgender adult also our Son is vaccine injured and lost a kidney and had chicken pox vaccine and then got chicken pocs twice as young boy followed y shingles . I am against any religious organizations telling people what to do Even making it mandatory to get jabbed to serve a mission, rediculous!
L, thank you for commenting. I’m sorry your family has been hit so hard.
When I see a study on anything, I try to follow the money. Who paid for the study? Who owns the company that conducted the study? Who is the “big” donor to the university? Many times it leads to a pharm company when looking into vaccination/ autism studies.
You’ve got the American Academy of Pediatrics, the CDC, the World Health Organization, and the Institute of Medicine all agree that there’s probably no relationship between autism and vaccines.
On the other side you have Jenny McCarthy and people that personally know kids that were vaccinated that became autistic.
Correct?
YR, you’ve got the AAP, CDC, WHO, and IoM all financially benefiting from vaccines. Is any of the science they are basing their position off of third party, double blind, retrospective studies? no. Are there any studies comparing the vaccinated to the completely unvaccinated? If vaccines were so safe and effective, that would be the one study that would be a slam dunk, yet it has never happened. Those who are raising awareness about vaccine risks are making money how? Maligning those who question vaccines with Jenny McCarthy is going to get you in trouble, because there are real live MD’s, lawyers and other very intelligent professionals raising the alarm. Refuting neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock on his vaccination position might make you rethink lumping all those who question vaccines into a dumb blond actress camp. Let’s keep it classy and charitable please.
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
― Socrates
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/03/there-is-no-anti-vaccination-movement/
We are well past Jenny McCarthy as some sort of spokesperson on the subject.
Most of us read; vaccine inserts, studies looking at why vaccines are ineffective where they reveal they are seeing new versions (mutated) of the viruses that are different from the one in the vaccines.
Flu vaccines are effective in the single digits to max 35% one time in the past 15 years because of mutations.
I often wonder if they don’t already know that Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Tetanus, Diphtheria, Pertussis have mutated and the vaccines are using up our antibodies for versions that are no longer the main ones?
Just search for stories about “waning vaccine effectiveness”. Mumps and Pertussis are on that list and one study found that a mumps outbreak in 2015 in a highly vaccinated group in a college was a different “genome type” from the one they were vaccinated for. That is called mutation even if the study was very careful to not use that alarming term.
I worked in a preschool autism program for 9 years. Many, many times I saw families with a child with autism choose not to vaccinate subsequent children and many times subsequent children still had autism. As the mother of 3 out of 5 children on the autism spectrum, I am much more interested in the genetic link than a vaccine link.
I am curious if, in your opinion, were the later unvaccinated children suffering from a less severe autism than the first child? While I do not believe vaccines necessarily cause autism, I definitely believe there is a correlation. I have personal experience with my own children with both vaccine injury and autism.
While I have no desire to dissuade you from finding out what damaged your children, you probably should know that according to geneticists, and the science of genetics, it is impossible for the gene pool to change that drastically and that fast in one generation.
That being said, something is causing this damage, and since it is NOT genetic, it has to be environmental. It is not happening for no reason. There IS a reason, and there IS a cause.
Hope you find it before any more of your kids suffer needlessly.
There is currently more research than ever on fungus, molds and mycotoxins that is addressing the contamination of our food supply. Fungi have the ability to alter genes. So many illnesses are linked to genetic changes. Another big field of study is epigenetics and changing our lifestyles and diets to try and prevent the genetic predispositions for some diseases.
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I think it is possible that our contaminated food supply is causing genetic mutation and that can happen quickly and then be passed down.
There’s no way fungus or anything else has disturbed the gene pool in one generation. That is the science.
Of course it couldn’t be the toxic chemical cocktail being injected directly into the blood of our children’s blood stream 60 times.
Epigenetics can contribute for genetic expression to be changed in one generation…. so why not other genes to be changed as quickly?
Watch the documentary Vaxxed. You’ve been lied to and William Thompson PhD of the Cdc tells about it. There is a link and they covered it up.
I know a couple who had a child immunized and then believed the child was autistic due to some developmental issues. They chose to not immunize their other children. Turns out the immunized child is not autistic, but one of the ones not immunized is autistic.
Thank you for this more than you know. I’ve studied vaccines for 4 years after having gut wrenching pits in my stomach every time my children received them. 2 of my kids ended up having worse than mild adverse reactions, & then I started connecting the dots. We never got another vaccine. My husband didn’t agree with me originally, but when he began researching also, we were quickly on the same page. We have received spiritual confirmation that vaccines are not what we should be doing for our family, & I’m so grateful for answers through prayer. I’ll also be grateful for the day when those who feel differently leave judgment alone, refrain from accusations, & we are able to live our lives without being persecuted for our own free agency. What a peaceful time that will be.
amen.
Please vaccinate your kids, if not for their own safety, at least do it for the safety of the infants in your congregation.
The other infants in her congregation are not enough her responsibility for her to put her own kids at risk and ignore personal revelation for her family. I don’t know how much you get paid to leave these comments, but you really should stop harassing people for the sake of your own soul.
I’m not paid a cent. I’m just concerned about mine, (and your) children. I also don’t believe or spread false rumors on the internet.
If you agree to vaccinate your children and are fully confident in the efficiency of the vaccination, you should not be concerned by others who are not vaccinated. If the un-vaccinated are sick, the vaccination of your children should protect them, no?
Brian clearly has brain injuries from vaccines, he is unable to understand basic logic. If vaccines really worked you wouldn’t worry about people who aren’t vaccinated. It’s apparent that pro-vaccine people don’t even believe vaccines work.
Amy, why aren’t you coming to Brian’s defense against this ugly personal attack by Coolavin?
I am not my brothers keeper
I guess we should jump off a bridge because every body is doing it. Natural immunity us the best. In God we trust all others bring data.
Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
Doctors only know what they are taught, and unfortunately they are taught the ways of “conspiring men”. Listen to this and learn some truth about our “wonderful” doctors, who manage our health with no intention of a cure. Message me on FB (Lillian Meyer Bristol) if you’d like more info.
https://soundcloud.com/dddl/dddl
Lillian, do you know what is taught in medical school? Can you tell me what the practicum and course work are for a first-year med student? Second year? Third year? Do you know in which classes students learn about vaccines? Do you know what that curriculum is and which textbooks are used? Do you know what the professors’ backgrounds are?
If you can’t answer these questions then you shouldn’t be claiming any knowledge of what “doctors are taught.” Here’s what someone who has actually gone to medical school said about it: “As a medical doctor, my study of drugs began early in medical school. Each doctor spends months in specialized courses learning potential benefits and risks of medicinal agents. Proper prescription of drugs is the forte of skilled physicians. Generally, when their advice is carefully followed, results are remarkably successful” (Russell M. Nelson, October 1988 general conference).
Um, he said drugs, not vaccinations. And yes, a huge part of med school is understanding prescription drugs… I’d think that would be obvious. Even my husband felt that his nursing education turned into being a glorified pharm tech. Less and less practical information being taught, more and more being taught about drugs. Sad. At any rate, your quote is moot in this discussion. Prescription drugs are not vaccines.
Vaccines are, in fact, prescription drugs, even though they are treated as an entirely different entity at the doctor’s office. Each vaccine carries its own unique set of risks and benefits. The people who make the blanket statement that vaccines (drugs) are safe and effective would never make the same blanket statement in regards to other drugs. No other drugs are prescribed to any and all individuals regardless of health status, genetic vulnerabilities, or previous adverse reactions. Not all prescription drugs are vaccines, but all vaccines are prescription drugs.
My physican son won’t vaccinate his kids. He says vaccinated kids have more allergies and asthma.
That’s a collectivist, socialist mentality. It is wrong. And this position is not backed by science – artificial herd immunity is a theory. If vaccines work as advertised, they have to work on merit alone. The fact that they don’t shows there is faulty science. Additionally, the vaccinated also spread disease at high rates and are asymptomatic carriers, as well as responsible for mutations, making diseases more aggressive and deadly. Additionally, there are benefits to many of the illness we vaccinate against, and risks associated with not contracting diseases. Not vaccinating can also an act of charity.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102473744#
Vaccinations don’t prevent you from getting the disease. It only helps prevent the symptoms from becoming severe. “as they say”… There are weakened but LIVE viruses that can “shed” such as the MMR, flu, rotavirus etc … so no one really knows if the virus is being shared from those that are vaccinated already? or shared from those unvaccinated? even so… freedom of choice and agency options should always be defended. no one should be asked to do something they feel is harming their child for the sake of another child. Especially for very valid reasons. would you force your child to take a psycotropic drug for the sake of the community if you felt like it would be worse off for them?…
The Mormon Church is in enough trouble as it is with its secret Second Anointing concept, and gaslighting Brian Casaday ‘s remarks because you are unable to accept responsibility for your responsibility towards your fellowman, is despicable.
From your mouth to God’s ears. Stop persecuting the unvaccinated! There are many good reasons to choose natural immunity over false immunity. Many of them are listed in the replies to this post
THANKS Bro. Brett Wilcox !!! My only son out of 7 children died. A twin from their first DPT shot. I cannot explain the pain we have gone through and still going through. Any little thing that comes up ,shown or talked about a baby boy, scouts,priestood, missionaries ect. is so painful and emotions flood in , what if? I am Pro-information and Pro- choice (Freedom) I believe in this country and the constitution. THANK goodness I believe in Families forever! If we loose choice and we will end up robots and more and more orders are forced upon us and our freedoms of choice/ and religion is gone. WHERE WILL GOD BE in this world. God created this world for us to enjoy and take care of. FOR us. Not to be forced to do!! No info. given, no knowledge, just did what everyone else did. My twin daughter was sick for a year on anti-biotics with ear infection ect. VERY VERY SCAREY to think I might loose my daughter too. Checking on her and my other children at night making sure they are breathing. It was a nightmare With Bronson, we attended 3 ER’s July 5th 1979 with me telling them, I feel it was a reaction to the dpt shot they just had. Please help him. They said oh no, couldn’t be. Later , I did find out that a mother up north Also had her baby die from the shot and guess what? The dr. did say it was a reaction. THAT happened just a couple of months before mine.
When I came along with my baby in the ER, I think they didn’t want a panic!
WHAT was a shock and heart ache to me 2 yrs later that Craig Nicholes, the head of Disease Control here in Utah was talking on tv and my sister saw the show. Talked about DPT reaction and what syptoms the baby boy had and that it did die. He asked the public to write in or call if they thought there child had a reaction from a childhood shot. I did call and he wanted to meet with me. My mother took me up to slc and while alone in a room, he told me , He looked into my face and said, Denise, yes, your baby was the one that I was talking about and yes he did die from the dpt shot BUT, I will not tell anyone else that. Cover up!! I had to let parents know what to watch for, what to search for. I did not want any parent to go through what I did. Word got around and some tv channels contacted me. Interviews. Then Barbara Fisher contacted me of National Vaccine Center in Vienna Virginia . Senator Hatch invited me to Washington to Testify to the US senators. WAS very scary and so very hard to talk about what happened after the shot with our son. I just wanted to forget it. I stayed with Barbara. Grateful to Senator Hatch for caring about our children and our freedom of choice/ Constitution ect. I helped get a bill passed. Now when a parent takes there baby in, they get an information pkg to read. Tells the side effects short term and long term . I am grateful to have been apart of that. Now THE Gov, Medical Association, ect WANTS to force ALL shots . REALLY Talk about bondage!! God wants his people to have freedoms. Choice NOT force— SATAN forces OUR Savior gives us our choice, then we are responsible. The knowledge ones know. Now so many Dr.’s, scientist , Congressman are speaking out because THEY studied, they read what is IN all the shots for our babies and children of God. I will not support killers. I pray that our Church , The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints will always support freedom of choice !! I appreciate you. dj
Thank you
Thank you for your comment. My sister had a seizure after her pertussis shot, in the 90’s. They said she should not get that one again. It does make me wonder how many more mild reactions are happening that can cause just as much long-term damage but is going unreported.
my sympathy goes out to you.
Thank you for writing this letter. I am very eager to hear the response. I pray that it will be taken in the right spirit.
Bravo!!!
I feel this letter was inspired and is spot on. Is there any way we can show support to this letter that the First Presidency can see where there are others who agree?
I think you could probably print this letter out and send it in with your own letter and say that you support it.
Thank you. My son is one that has a genetic disorder that can not receive certain vaccinations. I appreciate the time you took to write this. Please let us know what we can do to assist in getting this letter to the First Presidency.
Thank you thank you thank you!!! Other church members and I have recently been discussing the need to compile references and compose letters exactly like this- which you have done beautifully – and led by the Spirit. I have been a nutritionist and herbalist in a holistic practice for several years. I am a member of the church- a recent convert actually- and this topic has been a difficult one for me due to the position of the church on promoting immunizations. It is such a blatantly controversial topic (among several reasons) for one, in regard to being able to answer our temple recommend questions honestly such as (paraphrasing) ‘have you ever had an abortion, supported or paid for one?’ How can we use this question as a ‘worthiness’ gauge when members of the church support an industry through vaccination campaigns that use aborted fetal tissue in their development…and we fund the injection of aborted babies into our children?? In essence we collectively pay for the sustaining of the abortion industry by purchasing and advocating for medical conformity through vaccinations. I have found significant research confirming your points above. The Catholic Church has even released exemption letters allowing their members to refuse vaccines based on the use of aborted fetal tissue in order to protect their members right of agency and religious convictions. This is only one issue surrounding this particular threat against agency and protection against medical mandates and forced injections. We are facing very serious threats that are aggressively targeting family, religious freedoms, the ability to raise our children according to our divinely ordained personal revelations and will we will face devestating social and spiritual consequences if something is not done to protect our civil liberties and religious freedoms. We desperately need the First Presidency to protect the members of the church and our religious exemption by providing a letter that we can present to our doctors, schools, daycare facilities etc. qualifying us for free choice to refuse vaccinations on religious grounds. I have been praying that someone would send a letter to the Prophet – and if I could not find anyone, I would do it myself. I pray they will hear and feel the impressions of the Spirit to choose to preserve religious freedom and agency for us – the precious members of Christ’s Church. You have done a needed thing. And you have done it well. Blessings- Nicole
Will you please refer me to the resource of information which specifies which vaccines are created using tissues from aborted babies????
here is a list of vaccines that use aborted fetal cells
http://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf
Some say that’s a trick question and claim that there is no tissue from aborted fetuses being used. That fact it there are cell lines that are being grown for use that are in fact from two aborted fetuses. So the cell lines are not from the original fetuses, but they are grown from them? Does that make sense to any one? http://vec.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/vaccine-ingredients/fetal-tissues.html
If you have soil that has certain fertilizers mixed into it… is it fair to say that the plant it’s self has those components from the soil?
we don’t want human waste to be put in the soil our food crops are grown in… then why would we want fetal tissues, or un-screened cow tissues, monkey tissues used into growing the viruses? don’t the diseases utilize the fetal tissue to grow?
wouldn’t it be fair to say that there are compounds of fetal tissues in the vaccinations even if it isn’t the direct tissue its self?
Just because a person has committed an abortion does not disqualify them from a temple recommend or a baptism. On the contrary, those decisions help a person to truly understand what repentance and forgiveness is REALLY about. (Pro-Life %100 and Anti-USDA Vaccine %100, for the record)
The aborted fetus cells included in the vaccine teach your immune system to attack human cells. Know anyone with Multiple Sclerosis? Fibromyalgia? Rheumatoid Arthritis? Hashimoto’s Disease? Guillan-Barre Syndrome? ALS (Lou Gherig’s Disease) ALL linked directly to vaccines. You can google the peer reviewed studies in National Pub Med.
How about someone with cancer, Epstein Barr Syndrome or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome?(which are also caused by vaccines contaminated with a retrovirus from mouse cells-1/3 of them) Now that 83% of our vaccines are made in China, with almost no oversight (they are reviewed every 13 years as opposed to two in the US) , who is to say WHAT is in these injections? China puts antifreeze in toothpaste and killed hundreds of Americans with tainted Vioxx supplies. Purina Petfoods manufactured in China paralyze and kill our pets every day, and even in China they put poisonous chemicals into baby formula to cut costs and killed hundreds if not thousands of their own babies. Are we supposed to trust things are going to get better?
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I too cannot thank brother Wilcox for expressing everything I feel about this topic. I too would like to show my support and add my AMEN to these sentiments. If you read this, Brett, please let us know what kind of a response you received from Church Headquarters, and how we can show our support for what you have expressed so well. Thanks!
Although I know the Church is not governed by public opinion (thank heavens), I still want our leaders to know that Brother Wilcox is not an anomaly, and that there are MANY good, faithful, obedient members who love and support the Brethren, but also feel the same way.
So, if there is a way of adding my signature to a petition of sorts, I would be happy to do so. Otherwise, I will be forwarding this to Church Headquarters with my endorsement.
I think you could probably print this letter out and send it in with your own letter and say that you support it.
And then you can go join Ordain Women. You’ve seen how lobbying the Brethren has gone for them…
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 10 years of careful study on vaccines here. Lifelong, faithful member of the LDS church. I have so much to say but will simply write thank you again for your letter. We as saints have so much to battle in this life already, we certainly shouldn’t need to fight other members because they feel we (who have carefully chosen not to vaccinate or delay vaccines) are not following gods will. I’m full of gratitude to you and those that take this stand because it is not an easy road.
Thank you for writing this!m I wanted to add that the church leaders have made so many statements in favor of vaccinations that they have convinced many, many members that it is a tenant of our religious doctrine. For me this was a matter of personal revelation as taught by the doctrine of the church. The Spirit told me to question vaccines, so I began to research. I still gave in to social pressures with my first child, and my child had a life-altering adverse reaction. I did not make the same mistake with my other children. Still, I am criticized by both family and church members who use quotes from the brethren of the church to try to convince me to turn AWAY from my personal revelation in favor of the policy of the church. The feeling of betrayal by my church leaders who were supposed to be upholding these spiritual tenants of personal revelation and agency begins to conflict with my conscience and my spirituality. I do not want to be in a position where I have to choose between the restored gospel, and what I know God has directed me to do. I am not asking the church to come out against vaccines, just support individual revelation in this matter!
thank you so very much for writing this! As an enlightened Grandma and a church member for all of my adult life the recent statement from the First Presidency regarding vaccines ha left me feeling so much confusion. You have stated every thing I have had concerns about. Thank you thank you!
What would you like to First Presidency to do? Tell people they are allowed not to vaccinate their children and selves? Because that’s already clear…of the thousands of active Mormkns I know, I don’t know one who considers themselves pressured by the church to vaccinate against their will.
Brian, I would like the Church to go on record that members are free to follow the dictates of their own conscience in regards to vaccines. Such a statement would help those individuals that feel that they’re out of step with the Church when they choose any one of the many possibilities regarding vaccinations, including passing on one or several vaccines, delaying the schedule, or not vaccinating at all. Many states require that you sign a legal document declaring that your Church opposes vaccines. I don’t expect the Church to make such a statement, but at least stating that it supports members who might be opposed to vaccines on religious grounds will enable some to claim religious exemptions in their states.
“Whenever there has been a legal challenge to state vaccine laws with very restrictive language requiring an individual to belong to an organized religion or state recognized church with tenets opposing vaccination, the state’s vaccine law has been ruled unconstitutional. Americans have the right to hold sincere spiritual beliefs that are not part of an organized religion or state recognized church. ” – National Vaccine Information Center
http://www.nvic.org/vaccine-laws.aspx
Disturbing that the government form itself is unconstitutional. More disturbing still that many members have no issues with this encroachment upon our liberties.
I know plenty of people who use the First Presidency statement on vaccinations to prove to the rest of us that we must vaccinate, we are not being good members if we don’t, etc, etc. They use that statement as proof that we must vaccinate. Bro. Wilcox’s letter is completely right. I agree with every. single. statement. I had also previously connected the dots between Gaddianton Robbers and the pharmaceutical industry and the GMO people (all tightly inter-related). But who at Church would ever listen? I have already been banned from talking about nutrition and health. I hadn’t even mentioned vaccines. What do you think would happen if I did since I can’t even get through about harmful toxins in food? Everyone seems to think that obeying the Word of Wisdom is getting a temple recommend – and nothing else. We need to start thinking and seeing the big picture.
This letter is exactly what is needed at this time. May real communication and discussion (not debate) begin.
Thank you
So true! Thank you for your comment.
Terri,
I’m so right there with you. Church members don’t want to hear a whole lot on nutrition and family health. And we are seeing the highest rate of hysterectomies in the country in Utah. Then again, no one wants to hear that we’ve been told by church leaders since Brigham Young to homeschool or privately school our children in church appointed schools. If you ever want to talk/vent, look me up on fb–Aaron Emily Hardy.
Funny that you are banned about talking about Nutrition and Health.. If felt this way about Natural Childbirth and the benefits of it. And the Harms that some other more medical birth options can pose to the bringing down the spirit children to this earth. I felt like no one wanted to hear what I had to say even though it directly correlates.
My youngest son had a vaccine injury. It was extremely frightening, as he lost the use of his legs for 3 days. For the next 3 years he often collapsed for unknown reasons, the same way he did after vaccination. I chose to stop vaccinating him and my other child, who broke into measles the day after vaccination.
I have had MANY LDS people quote to me the Church’s “stance” on vaccinations, to show how “wrong” I am.
Vaccination is also a requirement for an international mission. My sons are excited about their missions and are happy to serve wherever the Lord sees fit, but I have one son, who would have liked to have been considered for a mission overseas—and he will not be due to the reactions he had to vaccinations.
Christina McDowell, I feel the exact same way!! I have 3 daughters who have served faithful missions, all in states since they have not been vaccinated. They would have loved to have gone over seas also or at least considered! My son is now 16 & will be going in a couple of yrs or so & my husband & I plan to put our papers in also. My parents served 6 missions in South America yrs ago with no vaccinations but I’m sure that we won’t be able to be considered for that now. We would like to go to England where my husband served his mission but we’ll see. I loved everything about Bro Wilcox’s letter! My father has been a chiropractor for the past 55 yrs & we have seen numerous cases of people who have been injured from the vaccines!! I ended up having to get a few of them for my 19 yr old daughter in order for her to have a life saving surgery & I’m still nervous about what may happen to her in the future. I took so many precautions before & after her having the injections!! I totally agree that the church needs to come out with a new statement about this topic. I am afraid to post things on facebook about this because of the backlash I get from people in our ward!! It just isn’t right that we shouldn’t have our freedom about this!!
This is a hard one for me as the same Spirit that told me Joseph Smith is a prophet also told me not to immunize two out of my five children. Why would the spirit tell me to do something contrary to what the brethren have said? It may take until I get on the other side to get this one answered.
I also, know that I am not suppose to council the brethren. Revelation flows from them to us.
So I have been studying immunizations for years and as our bodies are Temples I feel that it is important for us to consult the Maker as to what we put inside of it.
The Holy Ghost well lets us know the truth of all things.
Amen. I loved this article and agree that there are SO many serious problems with American healthcare, although the majority would deny it and accept whatever the employee of some fascist might spew out at them.
While I believe that Thomas S. Monson is indeed a servant of the Lord, and that we do believe in obeying the laws of the land (except where doing so would be immoral), I wonder if perhaps this issue could be on the back burner, as the first presidency has many things to attend to; and I hope that perhaps their statement will soon change. Surely putting cells grown from a murdered human fetus, or metals which harm our bodies and don’t belong in them, into our temples would be contrary to the Word of Wisdom. In any case, we can do all in our power to uphold the constitution, and follow the promptings of the Holy Ghost, for the time being.
Also, this is one of the reasons that I chose to major in Electrical, and not Chemical Engineering; there is typically less compulsion and deceit, even purposeful detriment and impairment, involved with the production of electronics, as opposed to the medical industry. I can do an honest days work for just enough pay to not spend all my time chasing that dollar, and I don’t have to compromise my integrity, or sell my soul in knowingly harming other humans for a piece of paper.
Anyway, thank you for your remark; it was edifying.
Thank you for writing this letter and for publishing it for others to read, use, and share further. It is well documented, well written.
I hope that recipients of this letter (private and public) will take the needed time to read and thoughtfully consider every single article, book, and report that has been documented in this letter. I hope that other related articles will also be further read and considered.
Too often the public at large is reluctant or afraid to consider these things. Why is this the case? It is puzzling, especially when there is so much evidence of fraud, corruption, and medically documented harm being done – which is scientifically and statistically linked to vaccinations.
I also hope that the argument for morals do ethical reasons expressed in this letter will also be very carefully considered. This isn’t a purely scientific or health issue, but a social and political issue as well. Especially in light of proposed upcoming bills which aim to force all Americans to receive all government mandated vaccinations both now and in the future. It is swiftly becoming an issue of private rights over our own bodies and the bodies/health of our own children.
This is an extremely important issue. And deserves very careful attention by all individuals and all organizations of influence.
I love this. Thank you so much Bro Wilcox for writing this letter. I was pondering the other day about this same thing- writing a letter to the presidency about this topic. I recently sat in a sunday school class where someone brought up this topic and it was in no way related but started bashing “those people who don’t vaccinate”. I have to say I have a hard time being around that person and not feeling unkind feelings.
I think if the presidency prays about this topic, that they will get an answer from Heavenly Father, but like many important revelations, the question needs to be asked first. Where can the rest of us mail letters about our experiences and concerns about this same topic? I believe if they are inundated with letters from faithful members, they will make it a matter of consideration and prayer. Thank you again. I am sad to watch our country dissolving so quickly into wickedness and corruption. I feel so powerless sometimes and know it will only get worse for a time. We know the govt froze the petition online to stop laws making vaccines mandatory. We all need to pray and ask Heavenly Father to be on our side in this day and age. Bless you all.
You put “Attention To: ____” and then this address: 50 E N Temple St, Salt Lake City, UT 84150
doesn’t it make you feel like saying…. yes, yes… we should have banned all those that don’t believe in blood letting from membership as well.. silly people. They just don’t understand.
This was very well written and I support your stance. As a parent with a vaccine injured child, I began doing research to learn about the vaccines I had dutifully given my child, believing that’s what all good parents did. I have spent the last 14 years learning, sharing what I have learned, standing up against the harsh criticisms directed at me, and wondering whether or not my younger children will ever have the opportunity to serve a full time mission. The last bit is something not touched upon in your letter. The Church’s stance on vaccines bleeds into the missionary program. If my child is to go on a mission, it is my understanding that he/she is expected to be fully up to date on their vaccines. We are not afforded a religious exemption in such a case as this. We are encouraged to be a people who are open to revelation for our family. I will be open to that guidance still, when my kids are of missionary age, as I have been all along when making the decision not to further vaccinate any of my children.
What can I do to lend my support to this letter to the First Presidency?
Thank you for writing this well written and well documented letter. I desire that it will do nothing but promote the good in this area of importance, regarding the safety of human life!
I have sent two un-vaccinated sons on missions, and one son is getting ready to go. In the forms they fill out, they state that they are un-vaccinated, and will not be getting any vaccines. We have had no problems with that. Thankfully, we have an understanding doctor who did the required physicals and signed off, knowing there was no vaccine history. The form for the doctor does ask about vaccines, and the doctor did talk to us about them, but was respectful of our stand. I know of others in the same situation, and have successfully served missions, so this shows me that the vaccination issue is not a worthiness issue in the eyes of the church. This comforts me greatly. By the way, my sons both served in the states, and I am quite sure that the son getting ready to go will also receive his call in the states. I am perfectly fine with that.
Good for you!
That is so good to hear! Thank you for sharing your experiences. I have talked to a few people about this and they have taken their kids to be vaccinated, at a very slow pace, prayerfully and with a blessing before each vaccine was administered. I had resigned myself to offering this option to my younger children, so it makes me very happy to hear there is an alternative!
My daughter has not been vaccinated and was able to serve a mission. She will be coming home on the 31st of this month. Five nephews have also served with no vaccinations. The only catch is they can not serve a mission outside of the United states so in a way it is limiting. It is probably to protect out child. Funny thing is they sent her out of the country to the Mexico MTC to learn Spanish. Haha
Jaylene
Which doctor did you go to? I have a 16-year old who is not fully vaccinated and he doesn’t want to undergo any further vaccinations but desires to serve but knows that a doctor needs to sign off stating he’s cleared to go. We live in Davis County Utah. I hope your doctor is within an hour’s drive
Wow! I am not a member of the LDS church, but saw this link and I am of similar thinking.
I must say that this is phenomenal!
Thank you, and I hope you don’t mind me sharing this in part or in entirety.
Thank you!
It’s great information, isn’t it? I think if the church came out with a free agency stance many people would join the church.
I’m saddened to see that providing a few footnotes to non peer-reviewed information found on the Internet can convince people that this writing was “well documented.” I can respect that you have an opinion contrary to what the Church has declared, but I don’t agree that your sources are sound. And, if your readers would step back for a moment and research many of those sources they too would see that many of the claims are false. That being said, I appreciate the perspective you & your readers have shared.
I agree. I have not researched all the footnotes used but some I have seen used in other articles. There are some inaccuracies. Additionally, there are stateside missions that require immunizations – I have no idea how many and was surprised to hear that there are missions that don’t require immunizations. A young woman in our stake was delayed leaving for her stateside mission while she received the required immunizations. She personally was not opposed to immunizations although her parents were. She desired to serve in that mission, her parents allowed her to decide and she moved forward. Such a difficult topic but I support the church’s stand.
I second that. Sources=not sound.
Peer-reviewed research is the scientific gold standard. And in the world of Corporate Science, those who have the gold set the standard.
Dr. John Ioannidis spent his career challenging his peers by exposing their bad science. Not surprisingly, he found that corporate-backed science is tainted by corruption from start to finish. Ioannidis said, “There is an intellectual conflict of interest that pressures researchers to find whatever it is that is most likely to get them funded.”
Dr. Marcia Angell worked as the editor at The New England Journal of Medicine for 20 years. What did she have to say about peer-reviewed research?
“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”
If Ioannidis and Angell can’t believe it, why would you?
Brett. I’m a scientist. I’m not medically trained. I do know how to use and not to use statistics to make accurate claims.
Much of the information in this article is terribly misleading. The sources use false and deceptive information to convince you of things that aren’t true. If you’d like examples, feel free to ask.
In the meantime, doctors vaccinate their kids. You should too.
Brian, You can’t make a claim that “doctors vaccinate their kids, you should too” your assuming “all doctors do” you don’t know that. I know doctors who don’t. Brian, I would hope we could all respect each other’s agency. God doesn’t want us to judge each other. Unless you feel that there is no such thing as “vaccine damage” maybe if your child had damage done to their mind/body after a vaccine you’d have a different tune? It’s real. These stories are real. Again, we should love and respect each other and understand that each of us wants what’s best for our children, and want our own agency on the matter.
Brian has a brain injury from vaccines and therefore his statements are exceedingly misleading and should be ignored.
I suppose it’s true that some sources publish research that is not sound. The article published by the Lancet linking the MMR vaccine to autism comes to mind….
However, that doesn’t mean that established scientific principles disappear. It’s fairly simple for someone trained in statistics to read over a study and see if the methods reflect good science.
However, your sources are not research studies. They are internet articles and in some cases, youtube videos, created by people who are running a business. This business is partially dependent on vaccine disinformation. Dr. Tenpenney, Greenmedinfo, whale.to, The National Vaccine Information Center, a Shot of truth… These folks are all in it for their own financial gain. (see the donate now button and the online stores on these sites.)
They have done no scientific research, but it appears they spread vaccine misinformation amongst themselves and then cite each other as a source to the financial gain of all. Follow the money indeed.
These folks make plenty of money, why don’t they use it to fund research studies to back up their claims? Wouldn’t that achieve their ends of making the world see, in black and white, that vaccines really are damaging our children? I’d personally love to see the results of a scientifically and ethically sound research study sponsored by any one of them.
You should go to the sourse and listen to Dr. Andrew Wakefield. He is an honorable man who has desperately tried to help the children who were suffering. His research is sound. His partner was just exonerated of all charges. They committed no fraud. They were bullied by their superiors to stop writing the paper. They didn’t because what they were writing was true and they truly cared for the children’s welfare. Dr. Wakefield did not have the money to continue the court case and lost his license. You are not allowed to question the sacred vaccines. This should be a red flag for all to see the corruption within the medical community. Dr. Wakefield continues to research and help the parents and children of autistic children. He is an amazing man.
Thanks Allie for sharing that story about Elder Bruce R. McKonkie and his comments about learning new things about health in relation to his passing with cancer.
I should like to share a similar and striking story about President Hinckley.
My wife spoke to a friend shortly after Pres. Hinckley’s passing who knows the Hinckley family. This is the story related by a close relative of the Hinckleys.
Pres. Hinckley counseled with his doctor about his colon cancer, and the doctor advised him to get chemo. President Hinckley, apparently more concerned about the work he had to do then his own well being, asked the doctor if he would still be able to perform his duties. The doctor assured him he would be able, and with that Pres. Hinckley agreed to the procedure.
He started chemo on Tuesday. On Thursday he was gone.
Dr Wakefield, regarded as the Father saying one should investigate the link between MMR and autism, is a “modern day Medical Joseph Smith”
See the links by Dr Wakefield below and decide for yourself
1) http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx
2) http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx
Oops, Doug. Your story is inaccurate. President Hinckley was diagnosed with cancer in 2006. He did counsel with his doctor about his colon cancer, and the doctor did advise him to get chemo. President Hinckley did ask the doctor if he would still be able to perform his duties. The doctor assured him he would be able to, and with that President Hinckley agreed to the chemotherapy.
But he lived for another two years after that.
“Hinckley this week [September 29, 2006] told LDS general authorities he is finished with chemotherapy and is ‘cancer-free’”(http://www.sltrib.com/ci_4415533).
In 2008 the cancer returned. Then, according to his son Richard, “The doctors discovered the chemotheraphy was not working in January (2008). Again, the Hinckley family met with the doctors. At 97 years of age, recommended President Hinckley do nothing. President Hinckley replied again his life belonged to the Lord, and that he needed to do all he could do. He received the more aggressive chemotherapy the Tuesday before he died (http://houseoferickson.blogspot.com/2008/02/elder-richard-hinckleys-testimony.html).
The fact that a 97-year-old man with cancer died after receiving an aggressive treatment is not unusual, nor does it cast suspicion on modern medicine. In fact, modern medicine prolonged President Hinckley’s life. It may be that President Hinckley chose chemotherapy because “Latter-day Saints believe in applying the best available scientific knowledge and techniques” (Dallin H. Oaks, “Healing the Sick,” Ensign, May 2010).
“It’s fairly simple for someone trained in statistics to read over a study and see if the methods reflect good science.” Is the only true thing in your comment. Vaccine safety studies are typically only 4-5 days long. That’s it. Every other medicine has trials for years. A true scientific study also involves a placebo based study and vaccine safety studies compare vaccine to other vaccines with no placebo. The 1986 law states that the manufacturers are not liable unless they know that a vaccine will cause harm so if they don’t do a study they are free from all liability. The only study ever done showed vaccines do cause damage so the CDC contacts for the study stopped answering the phone so the study wasn’t completed. I’m linking an explanation of how the corruption works and how the safety studies are conducted for vaccines vs every other medicine at the end of my post. You question anti-vaccines sites bc they have a donate button but say nothing about the billions of dollars pharmaceutical companies make on vaccines? Why are you asking independent websites to conduct a real safety study but not asking the manufacturers to conduct one?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=RfkkdCg2830
Doctors only know what they are taught, and unfortunately they are taught the ways of “conspiring men”. Listen to this and learn some truth about our “wonderful” doctors, who manage our health with no intention of a cure. Message me on FB (Lillian Meyer Bristol) if you’d like more info.
https://soundcloud.com/dddl/dddl
Lillian, have you been to medical school? Do you know what is taught there? Can you tell me what the practicum and course work are for a first-year med student? Second year? Third year? Do you know in which classes students learn about vaccines? Do you know what that curriculum is and which textbooks are used? Do you know the backgrounds of every professor?
If you can’t answer these questions then you shouldn’t be claiming any knowledge of what “doctors are taught.” Here’s what someone who has actually gone to medical school said about it: “As a medical doctor, my study of drugs began early in medical school. Each doctor spends months in specialized courses learning potential benefits and risks of medicinal agents. Proper prescription of drugs is the forte of skilled physicians. Generally, when their advice is carefully followed, results are remarkably successful” (Russell M. Nelson, October 1988 general conference).
The same goes to your own questions… what have the doctors studied about immunizations? what of thier own have they researched if they are a family practice doctor?…. why do some quietly not agree with the medical establishment?…. you should start asking the pediatricians how many weeks would they say they specifically studied immunizations, their composition, their reaction history, their efficacy…. I bet you could find that many didn’t study one thing outside of their medical school text books. and after their bord exams didn’t read any further… and if so it was the studies that were sent to them by associations such as AMA….. your wording can go either way but getting upset about it doesn’t help… both have a point.
Linda….. Have you talked with people who have lost their love ones because of an easily preventable or curable disease? I have. For example, I recently met a woman who lost both of her parents, and 5 of her 9 siblings in the plague of 1918 (yeah, she’s old). But then again I was working in a hospital so I suppose that discredits my opinion. What do I know. All I learned in my schooling was supported by “the establishment”. And they certainly did not teach me how to research and learn on my own. Just please don’t come to see me when you are sick. That’s what naturopaths are for.
I am saddened that people assume that if the CDC, WHO, IoM, AAP it must be unbiased, sound science. These corporations make money off of vaccines. If the reverse logic was used (a non vaccinating corporation published a study saying vaccines were dangerous) you all would laugh us out of town. Why should this be any different? I declare YOUR sources are not sound if you claim studies back up the use of vaccines. Are any of the studies used to back claims of vaccine effectiveness and safety third party, double blind saline placebo, and retrospective? No way. No sound science there. Do any of them compare fully vaccinated children to fully unvaccinated children? No way. No sound science there. How is one to make an informed decision either way without this information. It’s impossible. On the other hand we have quite a few court cases in litigation that show us that vaccine makers falsified vaccine study information, so I’m going to go with ‘your’ (pro vaccine) science is pretty questionable.
For over a century, the vast preponderance of research has shown that vaccines are safe and effective. You demand the One True Study to Rule Them All to prove vaccine safety, but can you provide any evidence for your conspiracy theory? If the CDC is so evil, why does the Church recommend them for more information on vaccines? (https://www.lds.org/church/news/church-works-toward-world-goal-to-eliminate-preventable-diseases?lang=eng)
Ask a pediatrician how much she makes from vaccinations. I’ll be surprised if she breaks even. These so-called vaccinating corporations would make a lot more money by treating vaccine-preventable diseases and their complications. Wouldn’t it make more sense for them to discourage vaccination?
The WHO, the CDC, and the AAP are not selling anything. You know who is? People like Mercola and Jack Wolfson. I am saddened that people are still buying pseudoscience and conspiracy theories.
>>>The WHO, the CDC, and the AAP are not selling anything.
It would behoove you to look into their books. They make billions.
>>> These so-called vaccinating corporations would make a lot more money by treating vaccine-preventable diseases and their complications. Wouldn’t it make more sense for them to discourage vaccination?
You’re right. They make billions off of all the side effects vaccines produce. There are dozens more vaccines in the works, all with side effects to treat. Looking at a vaccine insert will give you a clue into the dozens of diseases that vaccines trigger and create. They get you coming and going. Shingles in the elderly is a perfect example. Vaccinate for chicken pox that then creates another epidemic to vaccinate against and treat.
>>>For over a century, the vast preponderance of research has shown that vaccines are safe and effective
All done by those who have conflicts of interests, not done with saline placebos, not double blind, not retrospective = not valid. There is plenty of evidence (two court cases currently pending and the Autism Omnibus Hearing conducted by the governemnt is other evidence) that prove conspiracy.
>>> If the CDC is so evil, why does the Church recommend them for more information on vaccines?
I can’t speak for their motives. I can say with confidence that if you call church headquarters they will tell you that the endorsement of vaccines in the article you referenced is purely an opinion and not a result of revelation. I wonder the same thing, though.
“It would behoove you to look into their books. They make billions.”
I guess I should be more clear. I should have said the CDC and AAP are not making money off vaccines, as you stated in your comment. I’m aware, for instance, that the AAP sells books to physicians, but they are not selling any products to the public. Just about every famous anti-vax advocate that I know of sells vaccine-alternative products, which seems like a conflict of interest to me. And I can’t find any evidence that the CDC sells books. They do offer publications which can be downloaded for free. Can you give me more information on those billions?
“Looking at a vaccine insert will give you a clue into the dozens of diseases that vaccines trigger and create.”
And this gives ME a clue as to where you are getting your information. Anti-vax websites love to talk about adverse events as if they were side effects. They’re not. Drug inserts are basically legal documents, not scientific reports. They tell what the drug is for, how it is to be administered, and to whom. There is also a section, “Warnings and Precautions,” listing side effects which may arise. Then there’s “Adverse Events.” Here’s one definition of adverse event:
“Any untoward medical occurrence in a patient or clinical investigation subject administered a pharmaceutical product, and which does not necessarily have a causal relationship with that treatment. An adverse event can thus be any abnormal laboratory finding, symptom or disease temporally associated with the use of a medicinal (investigational) product, whether or not caused by that product.”
In other words, in clinical drug trials any unexpected medical event must be reported. These reports are divided into two time-frames on the insert: the clinical trial and the post-marketing experience. If you look at the clinical trial adverse events for ProQuad, for instance, you’ll see that the most frequent events are redness at the site, fever, and rash in less than 5% of patients (http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/p/proquad/proquad_pi.pdf). The post-marketing events are all over the map, though, and include things like “dream abnormality” and “eyelid irritation.” Here’s why: suppose a 60-year-old obese smoker with hypertension and high cholesterol gets a flu shot, and two weeks later he has a heart attack. That could be reported as an adverse event, even though it’s almost certain that lifestyle, not the shot, caused the heart attack. In fact, no causality has to be proven. If it’s within the realm of possibility (for instance, a broken foot wouldn’t count), it gets put on the list. It’s actually in the drug company’s best legal interest to list as many events as possible. That’s why it’s inaccurate to look at the list and say, “See! This vaccine causes heart attacks!”
Once again: the appearance of a symptom in the Adverse Events section is not confirmation that the drug caused the event. IT IS NOT CONSIDERED A SIDE EFFECT. I suggest searching Merck’s ProQuad insert for the word “Finland” (seriously) and read that paragraph and the next.
About vaccine studies, you said, “not double blind, not retrospective = not valid.”
OK. Would you like to volunteer your children for one of the test groups in a double-blind study? No? If you really want to know why that One Study hasn’t been done, read http://www.redwineandapplesauce.com/2013/12/21/the-one-study-or-why-the-anti-vaccine-movement-doesnt-really-understand-science/. I know you’ll be put off by the title, but if you read it, I promise to read one anti-vax web page of your choice.
Pharmaceutical profits from swine-flu-related drugs alone have soared – with earnings between $10 billion and $15 billion in 2009, according to estimates from investment bank JPMorgan.
A report from 2007 entitled “Pipeline and Commercial Insight: Pediatric and Adolescent Vaccines,” written by vaccine analyst Hedwig Kresse, makes some interesting points about the future of vaccine profits.
The report includes an assessment of products and forecast of market size and coverage rates to the year 2016, predicting that due to the “promising commercial potential” of new, high-price vaccines, the pediatric and adolescent vaccine market will quadruple from approximately $4.3 billion in 2006, to over $16 billion by 2016, across the US, the EU-five including France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and the UK, and Japan.
The crucial factor for success in the pediatric market, the report notes, is the introduction of products into the national vaccination schedules.
As an example, Dr. Kresse cites Wyeth’s Prevnar, as the first premium price vaccine launched in the US in 2000 for vaccinating infants against pneumonia and meningitis. Since then, Prevnar has been added to the childhood vaccination schedules in the US and EU-five despite its high price of nearly $320 for the four-dose regimen.
The sad reality could be that the motivation for continually increasing both the number of shots given and the price of the vaccines is nothing more than a desire by big Pharma to improve “market share” and profits.
The Alliance Between the Vaccine Industry and the Government
In the first quarter of 2010 alone, the US federal government representatives received $19 million per day from lobbyists, and over $1 billion in total lobbyist spending, a large chunk of the money coming from the health care sector.
Keep in mind, this is only federal lobbying efforts. This figure doesn’t take into account the millions more spent lobbying at the state level, not to mention the cozy lobbying arrangements between the drug reps and individual doctors.
Why this massive lobbying push by the vaccine industry?
One of the reasons (certainly not the only one), is to influence vaccine mandates. The vaccine industry has a vested interest in (and continually spends big money on) trying to make sure that more vaccines and more doses are mandated by the government.
For every mandate they have successfully pushed through, there are some recent ones that have failed due to action taken by parents of vaccine injured children and others to defeat them.
Currently in California, there is a bill under consideration to make pertussis vaccine booster doses mandatory for all children between 7th and 12th grade.
And in New York there has been a battle over a bill to make flu shots mandatory for all health care workers, and those who refuse an annual flu shot stand to lose their job.
There are also a whopping 145 additional vaccines in the pipeline being developed and tested in clinical trials. Since drug companies are going to want a stable, predictable market in the U.S. for these new vaccines, they’re likely to press for mandated use of many of them, both by children and adults.
the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has accumulated $3.5 BILLION in vaccine tax revenue which is currently “sitting” in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund?
This trust fund was established in 1988 “to compensate vaccine-related injury or death claims for covered vaccines.” The money in this fund comes from a $0.75 excise tax on vaccines recommended by the CDC.
In other words, you the taxpayer fund it – not the drug companies.
The problem is that the government hires the best attorneys available (with your tax dollars) to litigate against families with vaccine damaged children (dead or alive) who are trying to collect from this fund. Those who are successful could spend up to 10 years trying to prove their case in a special court designated for vaccine injury compensation. So the result is that there has always been a surplus in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund, and it has now grown to $3.5 BILLION this year.
Who are the people overseeing the NVICP?
David King, Chairman in 2014
I could not find out much online about Mr. King, the current chairman of the Advisory Commission. He is reportedly “in the State Commercial Banks business” according to several online listings, and is listed as the owner of Sales Motion.
Jason Smith, J.D.
Mr. Smith is an attorney who works for Pfizer, one of the largest drug companies in the world and producer of many vaccines.
The rest of the members are listed below. Most of them have ties to medical schools with strong funding from the pharmaceutical industry.
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/accvroster.pdf
There is also the fact that job between government and pharma are a revolving door. I don’t have time to look up all the switching of jobs between pharma and government for you, but a search will turn them up.
>>>Once again: the appearance of a symptom in the Adverse Events section is not confirmation that the drug caused the event. IT IS NOT CONSIDERED A SIDE EFFECT>>>
Is the compensated symptom, event or death proof of causation? Because we have a lot of proof from NVICP that certain vaccines can cause certain side effects, including death.
>>>Drug inserts are basically legal documents, not scientific reports.
Actually, they are legally required to have a vaccine insert in order to give informed consent, which is legally required. But they are based on scientific reports and cases, prompted by those who have been proven to have harm done. They aren’t in there just for fun, they aren’t benign, they are based on actual rproven risks.
“If you call church headquarters they will tell you that the endorsement of vaccines in the article you referenced is purely an opinion and not a result of revelation.”
Are you sure what they told you wasn’t purely an opinion? Why do you believe what church headquarters says on the phone, but you don’t believe what the First Presidency says in official Church publications? So much irony.
Amy, do you know what a Gish Gallop is? Because you just did one. Rather than responding to my request for proof that the CDA makes billions on books or my evidence that the perfect study doesn’t exist, you tried to distract with a bunch of tangential stuff that would take hours to reply to. But I’ll bite, at least a little bit.
“Is the compensated symptom, event or death proof of causation? Because we have a lot of proof from VICP that certain vaccines can cause certain side effects, including death.” No, we don’t. I suggest learning more about why the VICP was created. The HRSA VICP page says this: “Conclusions regarding the safety of the vaccines should not be drawn based upon the fact that cases were settled. Settlements are one way of quickly resolving a petition or claim. . . . Settlements are not an admission by the United States or the Secretary of Health and Human Services (Secretary) that the vaccine caused the petitioner’s alleged injuries.”
About the vaccine inserts: “But they are based on scientific reports and cases, prompted by those who have been proven to have harm done. They aren’t in there just for fun, they aren’t benign, they are based on actual rproven risks.” I’m sorry if I gave the impression they are there just for fun. By calling them legal documents I meant that they are required by law. But the word “proven” does not appear in them. The adverse events have not been proven to be risks.
Did you read this part of the insert? “Experience from more than 80 million doses of all live measles vaccines given in the U.S. through 1975 indicates that significant central nervous system reactions such as encephalitis and encephalopathy, occurring within 30 days after vaccination, have been temporally associated with measles vaccine very rarely. {58} In no case has it been shown that reactions were actually caused by vaccine.”
Apparently you trust the truthfulness of vaccine inserts and the VICP since you keep citing them. Then you have to trust what they say about causation.
Is it possible that one parent could pray and feel that they should not give immunizations to their children at all, or at a different time… and then another parent pray and feel that they should give the shots to her children? Both being inspired for the better and individual welfare, and personal life missions of that child?… I would think so and it matters not about the 100% accuracy of the studies. we all know that it can be skewed either way…whether peer reviewed or not.
THANK YOU for writing this, Brother Wilcox!!!!! I pray that the brethren will read and ponder and pray about it as well, and that they will clearly state their support of agency for each of us in this matter.
Thank you so much!! You are our voice!! Is there a way we can show support, so that the First Presidency understands there are MANY feeling this way? There is strength in numbers.
I have already commented on how I love this letter for how it illustrates my beliefs about the dangers of vaccination. But I have to say, after reading it a few times there is something them makes me uneasy.
Brother Wilcox- your letter begins in a spirit of mutual cooperation and a desire to simply be understood. However, the spirit of your letter became seemed to change as it went along from a desire to be heard, to a desire to tell the Brethren what to do and what was right.
I could even overlook that. But in the end it almost had a spirit of threat about it, especially when you made reference to the potential lawsuits that could come as a result of encouraging members to vaccinate.
Perhaps your intent was to protect the Church from frivolous and misguided or even antagonistic lawsuits. But if that was not only intention, it left the door open to misinterpret your words.
I don’t know if you have already sent this letter, but if not, I would consider some of these points and refine your words. If your true intention is simply to bring something to the attention of the brethren for them to consider, you may consider re-wording a few parts.
Other than that, the factual basis of the letter is spot on as far as I understand the truth. Well done.
I agree. My friends and I share your belief in vaccinations, however, the way in which this was written could be seen as threatening and if the church did not respond in your favor there are some who may decide to start another reformed LDS church in order to use the religious exemption. Maybe call themselves the UVLDS church. All joking aside, those who wrote and blogged about the churches stance with same sex marriage who demanded a change are no longer in the church. Fun article though, although peer reviewed material would seem more solid for sure. Joking back in play: Oh and the church has said we should obey the laws of the land but I still speed. Don’t tell.
Thanks Elijah. I am glad somebody else recognizes that the spirit of this letter may need some adjusting. Initially, I was so excited that someone actually verbalized the truth about vaccines so succinctly that I overlooked the spiritual implications in the letter. Unfortunately, it started out great and then ended up sounding eerily similar to letters from other groups such as Ordain Women and the LBGT community demanding things from the Brethren. Not the best way to go about this.
Vaccination is not an individual’s decision. An entire community/society needs to participate to keep our children safe.
I know I will never ever convince anyone that vaccines help save lives (the evidence is present so if you don’t believe it by now, I can’t change that), but please realize this is not a trivial thing. By not vaccinating you are creating situations where children can and do die, become sick, or where mothers face situations like this:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155168508795632&set=a.322130010631.336875.730360631&type=1&fref=nf&pnref=story
Therefore please do not speak on behalf of me as a members of the church or as an American.
PS – Can I really get vaccinated for acne, high blood pressure, tooth decay, and obesity? If so I would like to get vaccinated for those. Please and thank you.
When I say: “Vaccination is not an individual’s decision.” That is not exactly what I meant.
Of course it is currently an individual decision, what I meant to say is that vaccines aren’t as effective as they can be in protecting children if people decide to pick and choose whether it is right for them. That isn’t how the program works, and it disappoints and worries me to no end that people put my children at unnecessary risk to contract an illness that should be eliminated by now.
God is the only one who can inspire you on how to protect your children. If one does what they can to protect them, then God does the rest.. It doesn’t matter what others may do. If God allows one to get a disease maybe that child was meant to learn something from it. Yes we should help to better the world but in the end if one was mean to learn from a disease, it doesn’t matter if the whole world was vaccinated, that person will get it. I feel the same for other life lessons.
…uhmmmm, he is not speaking for you. He is speaking for those who agree with him.
And, if vaccines truly worked you would have nothing to worry about if others refused.
He said this: “On behalf of all members of the Church and indeed all Americans” I believe I fall in both camps.
Also you do not understand how vaccines work. I am not particularly worried about getting a disease that I’ve been vaccinated for. I am worried about my baby who has not been vaccinated for all of the same things I’ve been vaccinated for because they are too young getting a disease that shouldn’t exist.
In fact I am beyond worried that they will go to nursery with someone’s child whose parent’s decided it “wasn’t right” for their child to get vaccinated and then my child will end up contracting a disease that shouldn’t exist that changes their life forever.
If your child in nursery is too young for the vaccine, how do expect the other children the same age to have been vaccinated?
My below comment was for someone else. But I would like to add that it’s the newly vaccinated who are carriers for the disease. Steer clear of them Marc
Oh Brian your so angry. There are plenty of doctors who don’t vaccinate and there are doctors that do. You need to understand respect and what that means. I respect those who do and don’t vaccinate because I LOVE my brothers and sisters on this earth. I hope you find that Love Brian.
Babies leave the hospital with a whole slew of vaccines. How is that not “protecting” the very young?
“I am writing to you on behalf of the Latter-day Saints from around the world who share concerns related to vaccinations and the Church’s blanket endorsement of vaccines. ” the writer clearly states whom he is writing for in the first paragraph… he is not writing for all church members .
There are different vaccinations. some are genetically engineered, some are broken up proteins, but others are weakened live viruses such as the MMR, nasal flu spray, and rotavirus, chicken pox…. it is a concern for some mothers to stay away from children recently vaccinated with those vaccines?….
FYI…the baby in that Facebook post was exposed to measles by a VACCINATED individual and that mother of that baby is the daughter of a pharmaceutical owner. Not as credible as you may think. But because nobody knows, she is able to create pandemonium/panic in a single post. Fear comes from misunderstanding and misinformation.
I randomly sent her a message in response. I was having a bit of a frustrated day with being “held” responsible for her babies cindition
Marc, Maybe you’ll change your mind after your child or grandchild is vaccine damaged. Been there done that. Tony Bark, MD, who worked in pediatric emergency for years, says only about 1 in 1,000 cases are reported to the vaccine adverse event reporting system (VAERS). They are not one in a million chances. The Oregon VAERS shows 1 in 16,000 children died of vaccines with 1 in 4500 vaccine injuries. Most people believe that only one in 100 are reported. Lets says it’s just one in ten. So really that puts the deaths at 1 in 1600 and and vaccine injuries at one in 45, right along with the newest autism statistics. My 17 year old daughter developed chronic fatigue and severe joint pain after MMR. Her first MMR gave her chronic eczema, which means you should no longer vaccinate because the next reaction will be worse. My highly vaccinated son got 160 times the allowable amount of mercury. He was in his school 504 program for special needs children.
I am sorry-but the “it takes away our free agency” argument against vaccinations does not hold water. I suppose you support women getting the priesthood. Not giving them the choice to accept the priesthood or not must be taking away their free agency, in your opinion. The Church took a stand and we should trust that is God’s will that people get vaccinated. People do not have the right to endanger other people based on largely unfounded fears of vaccinations. In my opinion, it is not smart at all to send your children on foreign missions without being vaccinated. You are putting them at much more risk than simply vaccinating them.
…and once again, if vaccines work, you have nothing to worry about if others don’t…. You have immunity….
And how you can spin government forced inoculations into somehow not taking away free agency is beyond me.
Oh well, another mystery….
This is such a common misconception. “If vaccines work, you have nothing to worry about if others don’t…. You have immunity…” Unless you have an infant who is too young to be fully vaccinated…. or a child who is allergic to one or more components of the vaccine… or if you were among the 1-10% of people for whom vaccination is ineffective. All of these people rely on herd immunity to prevent the diseases from returning and ripping through a community, infecting them.
artificial herd immunity is based on what science exactly? Yes, it’s based on natural herd immunity. Not the same thing. Vaccinated persons spread and mutate disease. Let’s not pretend that they don’t put the public at risk by being asymptotic carriers, shedding, and infecting with bigger badder forms of the illnesses not to mention being responsible for the increased incidence of shingles in the elderly.
Remember Satan’s plan was to force everybody to his will.
Jonne, if you call church headquarters you will find that they will tell you this stance is an opinion, not revelation. I trust in revelation, not opinion.
“I trust in revelation, not opinion.” Apparently you also implicitly trust in the Public Affairs office. How do you know their statement was not just opinion? You accept their statement as gospel, but when the First Presidency makes a statement in official Church publications, well that’s just opinion. The irony meter just exploded.
whether vaccinations work or not, or work some of the time, or are harmful… one key element is pertinent. That we all have the right to pray, and do what we feel is right for our own children. we should never FORCE anyone to do anything. We can recommend, implore, guide, those who chose another way, but never force. There should always be exemptions allowed.
I love this statement, it makes me laugh out loud, because it is sooo bogus… “People do not have the right to endanger other people based on largely unfounded fears of vaccinations”… does that apply the other way around? “People do not have the right to endanger our children based largely on unfounded testing of vaccinations to even prove if they work at all, untested ingredients to know if ingredients are even safe individually, and combined, untested vaccine schedule, and constant fraud and whistle blowers stating what little testing is done is riddled with fraud…. you don’t have a right to endanger MY CHILD with this charade of fake immunity”
As informed as anti-vaccination stances claim to be the Science is just not there. I will trust doctors who continue to perfect their practices in their expertise over any of the rest of you in every other field you can think of (insert your career here), any day of the week. Far more people have been spared horrible diseases and deaths from diseases, than have been given comparable complications due to receiving a vaccination. It is more a dangerous trend to go away from sound practices that have stopped the epidemics of the dark ages. I appreciate the arguments. I read the whole article and I see where people are coming from on many of these stances. But the church already allows freedom of choice. Change the politics and mandates, rather than changing the churches admonition to prevent preventable diseases. I don’t believe the church made a blanket statement that all vaccines (such as for sexual diseases) now or to come are encouraged; there is no liability problem for what is the government’s vaccination program; and frankly the church isn’t part of some strange conspiracy theory in the political realm in favor of vaccines on a pharmaceutical level, although I will admit drug companies, healthcare, and government are all in each others’ pockets (regardless of whether you get a vaccine or not). Gadianton Robbers is a stretch, to say the least. I do think the arguments are sound, just out of context, and misdirected; they sound speculative when applied to the vaccine debate. The church gave sound advice that more clearly hit the mark concerning the real problem in the vaccine debate. Perfectly sound Science and doctor practices are up against skepticism at the expense of kids being healthy–given perfectly sound vaccinations on diseases that were essentially eradicated before the we-think-we-know-better movement of some parents to spare their kids a little needle prick (sorry, I realize it could be worse than that for some, but even those instances cannot completely be substantiated as vaccine deaths [as admitted to in the article], as opposed to the millions who have been spared deadly disease due to modern medicines).
Medicine is the third cause of preventable death in the US. 2000 Journal of the American Medical Association article by Dr. Barbara Starfield.
We are rated at the bottom of all industrialized nations in health care. We do great with trauma related accidents however. World Health Organization.
Just do a Google or PubMed search with the key words medical errors.
Lucian L. Leape, MD
JAMA. 1994;272(23):1851-1857. doi:10.1001/jama.1994.03520230061039.
Consider that when medical doctors in Israel went on strike (search) in early 2000, the funeral industry tanked. The burial association complained to the government to increase doctors’ salaries. The only city that did not see a decline in its death rate was Netanya, where doctors had a no-strike clause in their contracts.
We are responsible for our own health and in my opinion we should consider anything that we do to the Temple that got made for us to host are spirit.
Doctors only know what they are taught, and unfortunately they are taught the ways of “conspiring men”. Listen to this and learn some truth about our “wonderful” doctors, who manage our health with no intention of a cure. Message me on FB (Lillian Meyer Bristol) if you’d like more info.
https://soundcloud.com/dddl/dddl
The science for vaccines isn’t there. All pro vaccine science in NOT thrid party, double blind saline placebo, and retrospective.
You don’t even know what you’re talking about.
I welcome evidence to the contrary. After 20 years of searching, I have found this to be the case, DJ. “You don’t even know what you’re talking about” isn’t really a strong backing to your case. Please discuss respectfully instead of trying to slander.
Amy, where did you get the idea that a “thrid [third?] party, double blind saline placebo, and retrospective” is the gold standard? Because that’s what science says? Science also says to vaccinate. I showed you why the study you demand is just not possible, but you ignored it. Maybe you could address it now.
http://www.redwineandapplesauce.com/2013/12/21/the-one-study-or-why-the-anti-vaccine-movement-doesnt-really-understand-science/.
One thing that I have learned about science is that it always changes. Stats can be changed and molded to fit or skewed for a result on either side. When things become so intermixed from science, doctors, pharmacuticals, politics… one can’t help but pray for personal revelation. For one mother her answer may be no, don’t vaccinate.. for another it may be yes, you should vaccinate or even wait a while, or only give some…..
Depending on the particular “batch” of shots, or to that child’s specific life mission the inspiration could be different for each mother.
They are not doctors in the true sense of the word, but administators of some higher dictate. and if we can allow our Sisters to destroy their young, then my oh my, aren’t we the elite, to argue over whether or not it is right or wrong to administer the juices of a murdered child into the bloodstream of a newborn?
Brett,
Thanks so much for stating what I feel and thanks to others for comments and support as well. My heart and prayers go out to those who have suffered from consequences of vaccines. I have struggled for some time feeling that I was nearly alone as a church member who believes strongly on such things. To what has been said I would like to add, not only have the vaccine makers, in league with the U.S. government been known to experiment on the poor people of the world but also on U.S. troops and citizens. My uncle, for one, suffered for many years from the effects of an experimental poison/substance incorporated in a vaccine he received to work at Fort Douglas as a civilian for which he, and others, received a settlement. By the way, others died from the vaccines they received. There have been numerous, similar, documented cases, not always with a settlement. Even if I believed in the benefits of vaccines, for myself and family, which I don’t, why is it such a stretch to object to the ethics, practices, and history that brought these vaccines to where they are today? For me it goes far beyond just the use of cell lines obtained from aborted human fetuses, it goes to the motives and connections of companies that seem to have no limits for profit or power. This is like using blood money to support a missionary. What goes into my bloodstream is as personal as it gets. I would think that freedom loving people would get that.
I realize that I won’t be the most popular person here, so there is no sense in me clogging up the reply section of this website. I’ll leave with this:
When you say this “What goes into my bloodstream is as personal as it gets. I would think that freedom loving people would get that.” You are forgetting that you don’t live in isolation, you live in a society that is trying to eliminate horrible diseases.
At best you are riding the coattails of others who have been vaccinated and relying on herd immunity which is, by definition, selfish. At worst you are putting people at risk of contracting a disease that shouldn’t exist. I hope you never have to deal with the guilt of spreading a preventable disease to an infant, but please realize that you are risking doing so if you choose not to vaccinate.
Thanks for your concern but I have no problem with guilt. The downfall of all empires throughout history started with a promise of some form of utopia, in this case the eradication of disease, or it could be to eliminate poverty, feed the poor, protect us from terrorists, you name it. In the words of the contemporary philosopher, Michael J. Sandel, “individual rights cannot be sacrificed for the sake of the general good, … the principles of justice that specify these rights cannot be premised on any particular vision of the good life… What justifies the rights is not that they maximize the general welfare or otherwise promote the good, but rather that they comprise a fair framework within which individuals and groups can choose their own values…” The idea that some must “take one for the team” or that they are somehow harming the herd is a con job right out of the Marxist playbook. Brett, or any that sympathize with him, are not imposing anything onto others but appealing to the highest clergy they know for a little help to exercise deeply held, sincere, personal religious beliefs in a hostile world. How can any member of Brett’s church honestly be critical of that? What the hell is wrong with you people?
It’s easy to accuse people of putting more people at risk by not vaccinating when you have never been the victim of vaccine injury. My Mom vaccinated me when I was a child against German Measels. She was 3 months pregnant at the time. Within 8 hours of receiving the vaccine I was seriously sick. I had an extremely high fever, couldn’t get out of bed, rash over most of my body, and could barely eat for over a week. My mom called the doctor and they told her it was a coincidence and I probably just had the flu. Being the Amazing and Wonderful and nurturing mother that she was she stayed by my side and took care of me. Within two days of me getting sick my mom came down with all the same symptoms. 2 weeks later she miscarried. My siblings life was sacrificed for the sake of your “herd immunity.”
vaccines do not spread the flu. Your mothers miscarriage was due to a virus, not the vaccine that was injected into YOUR body. You may want to research vaccines a little further so you can have clarity of thought on the issue. The doctor was right though. It is incredibly common to contract a virus after you get a vaccine due to the vaccine temporarily weakening your immune system. Also, due to your mothers pregnancy, her immune system was also weakened because thats is just simply what happens when you are trying to grow a human. The miscarriage was completely unrelated to the vaccine itself.
You have no way of knowing that your sickness was caused by the vaccine. My grandmother was pregnant while she contracted german measles (rubella). Because of this, my uncle was born blind along with other severe intellectual disabilities.
I wonder if those who support this letter, feel the same way about any stance taken by the church, including their support of prop 8? I didn’t agree with their support of prop 8, but I realized that it was still my choice whether I wanted to participate in that regardless. If you really feel they are taking away agency, then you should feel just as disturbed by ever stance they take on any issue.
Doctors only know what they are taught, and unfortunately they are taught the ways of “conspiring men”. Listen to this and learn some truth about our “wonderful” doctors, who manage our health with no intention of a cure. Message me on FB (Lillian Meyer Bristol) if you’d like more info.
https://soundcloud.com/dddl/dddl
Thanks for this article. Awesome!!
I love having the right to choose. I am one who has metal toxicity and have a reaction to any toxic substance. My grandson became autistic, a few weeks after his virus, I watched the change in front of my very eyes. Thank you. I am sure our Lord’s prophets are aware and prayerful about this. I know they are His.
Thank you writing this letter to the First Presidency. I have been in turmoil over this subject and have prayed about it often about it. Recently have felt very attacked with all the media hype by making the choice not to vaccinate my children and other members posting talks of authority figures in the church speaking their opinion on the subject. I feel every family has the free agency and right to pray and decide what is best for their children and take this matter to the Lord. This subject Is something I have not taken lightly and have done research on and have gone to Heavenly Father in prayer over. You have hit every question on the spot I would love to hear the response for the First Presidency on this sensitive subject. Thanks again!
I am sure the first presidency did their homework before they released the statement on immunizations. It is up to us as adults & parents to make a sound rationale decision regarding immunizing our children. Their statement is not gospel doctrine. These kind of letters asking for an explanation from a prophet of God is sad. We have been given our brains to think, study it out in our minds and weigh the options. We have that rights as parents. Come on members. Really? Look it our own households and see what we are doing such as feeding our children junk food, fast food, sodas, and on and on. Are we teaching our children to serve? Are giving our children @ two years old cell phones to keep them still, IPads at 10 years old, cell phones with little supervision. Are we indulging them in anti-socialism with all the electronics. We have bigger issues then immunizations to worry about. People are always crying of injustice one way or another.
When you or you’re child is dead, brain injured or disabled from vaccinations there are no bigger issues, Martha. It is sanctimonious to declare that these lives don’t matter. When you are faced with losing your livelihood because God is telling you not to vaccinate, there are but few bigger issues than that. When you are denied an education because you don’t want your children to suffer a vaccine reaction like an older sibling did, there are few bigger issues than that. There are few bigger issues than your health, ability to provide and your agency. Let’s not downplay that.
And by the way you don’t speak for all the members of the church. I can make my own choices. We have been given a promise about our prophet, that he will never lead us astray! That I bet my life on!!!
If the laws pass that are currently attempting to make vaccinations mandatory, you won’t be able “to make [your] own choices”. That’s one of Brett’s main points.
Martha, if you call church headquarters about this they will tell you that there position they have stated over the pulpit on this is opinion and not revelation. No one is insinuating that the Brethern are evil or conspiring, merely misguided in their opinion. Not vaccinating is does not mean we aren’t following the prophet. It’s this rhetoric that those non vaccinating members of the church are tired of hearing. It’s uncharitable and wrong. We have carefully studied and prayed about our decisions. Shame on you for trying to shame us. Brother wilcox does speak for some members of the church and we are grateful. We matter, too. Our voices need to be head, too. Our concerns are valid, too.
A very thoughtful letter. I am grateful for the guidance we receive from our Church leadership. I feel that the Lord expects much more from us than to blindly follow every word of counsel. I think it is up to each of us to gather all information available and prayerfully consider it, taking very seriously the counsel as well as current scientific study and individual circumstances as well as medical advice in making medical decisions for members of our families. I try to consider as well, the general well being of the community and how my decisions affect it. I’m sure there are valid reasons for some parents to choose to forgo some immunizations. (We have chosen not to get the Gardasil HPV vaccinations for our kids). However, the bottom line is that if too many persons in the population do not receive immunization to Measles, Rubella, Pertussis, etc, these once common and sometimes deadly diseases will be back. All it takes is a careful review of mortality statistics from the past century or so to understand the cost.
It seems to me that the problem is with policies that require a religious reason to opt out. Perhaps I am not understanding, but it seems to me that requiring one’s church to be anti-vaccine in order to opt out is the wrong tactic. I look forward to more clarification on the subject.
Measles deaths were drastically reduced before the arrival of the vaccine.
horse hockey! As a nurse for 40 plus years I have to disagree. What about the food we eat? Unless you grow it ALL yourself you do not have control over that either. Statistics can be tweaked to show what you want it to. I’ve witnessed unvaccinated babies die from pertussis (whooping cough). Not a pleasant experience. If you are an RH negative mom (blood type) do you refuse Rho Gam? What is the difference? Babies used to die all of the time from RH sensitization prior to the “invention” of Rho Gam. Just sayin.
Thank you for being a voice of reason, Carole. This is the one time I take comfort in knowing the Church Office Building is going to round-file his letter, much like they do with almost any letter of complaint, whether it be over an issue in the Seminary program or a call to stop selling copies of a sexist movie like Johnny Lingo. They don’t have a suggestion box or customer service department. He can at most expect a very shortly-worded reply that his letter was received and thanking him for the time he took to share his thoughts. Then away to a file or shredder goes his letter.
I am pretty sure that the Church will not be able to respond to this because of legal and liability issues in light of the situation we are in today with evil prevailing in our society….and certain organizations looking for ANY reason to shut down the current legal structure of the Church that keeps it ‘tax free’. But I am also pretty sure our leaders are loving the movement of faithful, obedient, brave members following the strong promptings and intuitions to protect their children. The answer to vaccinations is to follow your own personal revelation and obey the promptings that you receive……whether for or against. Parents…and especially Mothers…. are true stewards of their children and when they ask…..they will ‘know’ what they need to do for their children. We have been told by Prophets that we will experience greater and greater persecution and I believe this is one of the sources of that….even within our own folds. I personally feel that vaccinations were a great blessing and answer to prayers because they eradicated many harmful and fatal diseases. But I feel today that…..as with so many other things…. Satan now has his hand in it with conspiring, evil, greedy men and women at the helm. But the Lord will not leave us unprotected. Your personal answer may be to vaccinate or to not vaccinate. The important thing is to seek the truth for your family and to act upon it with faith. AND…to respect each others decisions.
Bless you for writing such a perfect letter. Many of us have desired to send this exact message to the church. You have my support in raising the title of liberty in our times, time, in strict opposition to violation of agency. There is evil and conspiring men even within the walls of our own church, and they need to be weeded out. I pray that the first presidency will be inspired to maintain agency in this, our second estate.
“There is evil and conspiring men even within the walls of our own church”? I hope you don’t mean the First Presidency, who said “We urge members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to protect their own children through immunization.” Do they need to be weeded out?
This counsel doesn’t take away your agency any more than any other counsel. You are always free to choose for yourself. Of course, as President Harold B. Lee said, “You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. … Your safety and ours depends upon whether or not we follow the ones whom the Lord has placed to preside over his church” (in Conference Report, Oct. 1970, pp. 152–53).
Sue, if you call church headquarters about this they will tell you that there position they have stated over the pulpit on this is opinion and not revelation. No one is insinuating that the Brethern are evil or conspiring, merely misguided in their opinion. Not vaccinating is does not mean we aren’t following the prophet. It’s this rhetoric that those non vaccinating members of the church are tired of hearing. It’s uncharitable and wrong. We have carefully studied and prayed about our decisions. Shame on you for trying to shame us.
“No one is insinuating that the Brethern are evil or conspiring, merely misguided in their opinion.” No, Desiree didn’t insinuate that, she flat-out claimed it. I want to know who she’s accusing and what her proof is. At the least, the implication is that the First Presidency has been hoodwinked by conspiring men in producing their statement. I think that deserves some explanation.
The statement from the First Presidency is not doctrine, but it is counsel from prophets of God. It’s also a part of current Church curriculum. The Church’s Provident Living website says, “Prepare the body to fight germs that cannot be avoided by obtaining recommended immunizations (vaccinations), as encouraged by the First Presidency” (https://providentliving.org/self-reliance/health/managing-personal-health?lang=eng). It links to the original First Presidency statement. There is also a link on that page to the “Immunizations” section, where it states “Parents should make sure that all of their children are completely immunized.”
The Latter-day Saint Woman, which is official Relief Society curriculum, says this: “Babies need good health care. Take the baby to a health clinic or doctor regularly to have immunizations from certain illnesses” (https://www.lds.org/manual/the-latter-day-saint-woman-basic-manual-for-women-part-b/homemaking/lesson-22-maternal-and-infant-care?lang=eng.
So how has a “misguided” statement managed to remain Church curriculum for 37 years? You’d think somebody would have fixed it by now. How do you think the statement came about in the first place? Have you read it? The wording could not be stronger. The First Presidency says they are “deeply concerned,” they “urge,” they make a “plea,” and declare that this is an issue “deserving of our full support.” The Church believes so strongly in this opinion that they have spent more than $16 million (including fast offerings: https://www.lds.org/ensign/1990/05/a-little-child-shall-lead-them?lang=eng) on immunization. That’s a lot of money for a misguided statement.
Finally, quoting a prophet does not constitute shaming. But saying “shame on you” does.
Sue,
Here’s some food for thought: what is the current church teaching on the Lord’s law of health? The word of wisdom. What does it say in that document? Adapted to the capacity of the weakest of saints… Is it possible the Lord could give me or any other member of the church additional personal revelation beyond what the weakest of the saints is ready to receive? Absolutely. Do you believe that our prophets and apostles always reveal the highest law to the entire church? I and many other members believe vaccinations work on a lower law if you will than other remedies we have been blessed with access to. Many of us have been ridiculed or even persecuted and yet people who are ridiculing never check our fruits. We rarely get sick or feel pain. We are on few if any medications. We haven’t had ANY incidence of cancer in our immediate family (not so for parental siblings and family members following LDS societal norms so it is not superior genetics). We don’t generally see these fruits in segments of society that aren’t practicing higher laws.
I don’t hesitate to acknowledge the Lord’s hand in blessing us in these ways, but I also acknowledge his hand in preparing many plants, and herbs to remove the cause of disease just as he did for people in Book of Mormon times. I believe a person can and should work with a doctor when they are sick if they are so directed by the spirit. I also believe any person can through study and prayer be directed to more natural remedies that many cases can accomplish the same or better benefits without the risk of side effects.
I don’t know that I will change the opinion of anyone reading this article, but that is OK. I still feel it is important for me to express my feelings on this matter. Blessings to you.
Brian, you said, “what is the current church teaching on the Lord’s law of health? The word of wisdom.” Actually, the Word of Wisdom IS the Lord’s law of health. That doesn’t mean that latter-day prophets haven’t provided us with more teachings on health. You will find lessons on health in magazines, manuals, and on the Church’s website. Like this Ensign article, “The Do’s in the Word of Wisdom”: “When dealing with severe or chronic illnesses, be especially wary of herbal treatments or remedies that have not been proven effective through scientific studies.” In fact, the Church has devoted an entire website on health in the Provident Living website. There you’ll read, “Parents should make sure that all of their children are completely immunized.” The same message appears in manuals. Isn’t it wonderful that we have modern revelation to add to the standard works? After all, “The inspired words of our living prophets are also accepted as scripture” (Gospel Principles, Chapter 10).
“I and many other members believe vaccinations work on a lower law.” OK. You do understand that just because you believe that doesn’t mean it has any foundation in Church canon, right? You’re making up your own doctrine. And all your anecdotes about non-vaxers having better health are . . . anecdotes. Do you have any actual data?
It’s true that the Lord provided for people in Book of Mormon times, but as Elder Holland said, “Our Father in Heaven expects us to use all of the marvelous gifts He has provided in this glorious dispensation.” According to President Faust, that means modern medicine: “Scientific knowledge . . . and the wonders of modern medicine have come from the Lord to enhance His work throughout the world.” President Hinckley not only praised modern medicine but used it to prolong his life when he had cancer. I’m not aware of any prophetic praise for alternative medicine.
This quote from the Ensign magazine did not come from a prophet, but it’s something to consider: “For countless ages medicine men in all cultures have used many of nature’s remedies and have healed many people. And in our day, God has poured forth knowledge upon the earth which the medical profession has used to administer much relief to the sick and afflicted—thankfully going far beyond the limited herbal remedies available to earlier cultures. God expects us to utilize all that he has provided to heal us of our afflictions” (August 1981).
To all who so vehemently defend your position (especially Sue and Brian), I appreciate that you are standing up for truth as you see it. And that is your right and responsibility to stand for truth in a Christlike way.
I hope you understand that Brett and I, and many others, are quite familiar with all of the quotes you have shared that show the brethren’s support for vaccines. You really are not telling us anything we don’t already know, and haven’t known for at least 37 years.
But what you are espousing is an opinion of the brethren on vaccines- not a revelation on vaccines.
I have heard many use the, “A prophet does not have to say ‘Thus saith the Lord’ argument in support of your position. And that is correct- a prophet does not have to say those words to be inspired. But he DOES have to be inspired to be inspired. Sometimes they speak under inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and when they do it is scripture, for that is how we receive scripture. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” 2Timothy 3:16
But when prophets of God speak their opinion, and don’t claim revelation (as is the case with vaccination as verified by Church Headquarters), then those words are what they are- the opinion of very good men that should be seriously considered. And we have considered them, and we have followed them without question, and without supplication to verify the thrush of these opinions.
However, the brethren’s opinions about a medical procedure don’t change the truth about the dangers of vaccination. They don’t change the wide swath of death and destruction left in the wake of the vaccinated. And it they change the facts about this pseudoscience that have never been proven to be safe or affective.
My faith is strong enough that the human imperfections of our leaders does not affect my testimony of them as God’s appointed servants on earth, and the leaders of Christ’s very own Church.
One simply can not exalt the opinion of the brethren into revelation from the brethren without their consent. I have verified personally that they have offered their opinion on this subject, and that revelation has never been claimed. I don’t know if they have ever inquired of the Lord on this subject. What I do know, however, is that according to them it is their opinion based upon their observations. If they claim revelation, or if they choose to inquire of the Lord, I would be most pleased to know what the Lord says on the subject.
You simply can’t have it both ways. You can’t say the brethren are fallible, and at the same time dismiss ANY possibility that they are mistaken in their opinion- especially an opinion on a subject that has nothing to do with the doctrines or ordinances of salvation.
As has been so succinctly expressed by these Apostles and Prophets:
“President Wilford Woodruff is a man of wisdom and experience, and we respect him, but we do not believe his personal views or utterances are revelations from God; and when ‘Thus saith the Lord,’ comes from him, the saints investigate it: they do not shut their eyes and take it down like a pill.”
– Apostle Charles W. Penrose, Millennial Star, v. 54, p. 191
“And none are required to tamely and blindly submit to a man because he has a portion of the priesthood. We have heard men who hold the priesthood remark, that they would do anything they were told to do by those who presided over them, if they knew it was wrong; but such obedience as this is worse than folly to us; it is slavery in the extreme; and the man who would thus willingly degrade himself should not claim a rank among intelligent beings, until he turns from his folly. A man of God… would spite the idea. Others, in the extreme exercise of their almighty authority have taught that such obedience was necessary, and that no matter what the saints were told to do by their presidents, they should do it without asking any questions. When Elders of Israel will so far indulge in these extreme notions of obedience as to teach them to people, it is generally because they have it in their minds to do wrong themselves.”
– Apostle Charles W. Penrose, Millennial Star, v. 14, no. 38, pp. 593-595
“No one is insinuating that the Brethern [sic] are evil or conspiring, merely misguided in their opinion.” No, Desiree didn’t insinuate that, she flat-out claimed it. I want to know who she’s accusing and what her proof is. At the least, the implication is that the First Presidency has been hoodwinked by conspiring men in producing their statement. I think that deserves some explanation.
The statement from the First Presidency is not doctrine, but it is counsel from prophets of God. It’s also a part of current Church curriculum. The Church’s Provident Living website says, “Prepare the body to fight germs that cannot be avoided by obtaining recommended immunizations (vaccinations), as encouraged by the First Presidency.” It links to the original First Presidency statement. There is also a link on that page to the “Immunizations” section, where it states “Parents should make sure that all of their children are completely immunized.”
The Latter-day Saint Woman, which is official Relief Society curriculum, says this: “Babies need good health care. Take the baby to a health clinic or doctor regularly to have immunizations from certain illnesses.”
So how has a “misguided” statement manage to remain as part of Church curriculum for 37 years? You’d think somebody would have corrected it by now. How do you think the statement came about in the first place? Have you read it? The wording could not be stronger. The First Presidency says they are “deeply concerned,” they “urge,” they make a “plea,” and declare that this is an issue “deserving of our full support.” The Church believes so strongly in this opinion that they have spent more than $16 million (including fast offering funds) on immunization. That’s a lot of money for a misguided statement.
Finally, quoting a prophet does not constitute shaming. But saying “shame on you” does.
I must have missed Desire’s statement, so please forgive my statement. I should have said Bro Wilcox nor I are saying the brethern are evil or conspiring.
Sue, unless we are a church who hold our prophets and leaders up to be Gods and infallible, there is room for error. The scriptures are full of imperfect prophets and I think it is unfair to not be charitable enough to allow for mortal men to be mortal. They do have their own biases to work through like everyone else. This is counsel and opinion, that is all. Not following this counsel because we have gotten revelation to the contrary still qualifies us as faithful and dedicated. No one is morally superior for following this counsel without first praying about how to apply it. In fact, that type of spiritual apathy and laziness is dangerous. We are to pray about how to apply council, principles and doctrine and to fail to do so is walking on shaky ground, in my opinion.
This doesn’t mean they aren’t led, guided and inspired, but only when the Holy Ghost confirms the truth of the opinions of the leaders does it become scripture for us personally.
I don’t question the brethren’s motives. They are well intentioned and come from a place of love and concern. Whether they were inspired to give this council, they did not quantify and I don’t assume one way or the other. But even if they were, that is their business, how we apply it is ours.
>>>So how has a “misguided” statement manage to remain as part of Church curriculum for 37 years? You’d think somebody would have corrected it by now.>>>
I can’t speak to that except with giving the example that this discussion has just barely taken an uptick within the mainstream of society just this year, yet there has been 200 years of people ringing the alarm about vaccine risks and options. The fact the the church has followed suit in not looking at the other side of the coin is understandable….in their world I’m sure they’ve had bigger fish to fry and because of their own personal bias’ maybe it wasn’t something they took seriously. I can leave room for that. But again, it’s just my speculation.
>>>Have you read it? >>>
yes, for 20 years I have been. I have been teaching on vaccines to the LDS crowd since 1998.
>>>That’s a lot of money for a misguided statement.>>>
I agree.
>>>Finally, quoting a prophet does not constitute shaming. But saying “shame on you” does.>>>
quoting a prophet to ‘zing’ someone else and prove points is attempted spiritual shaming. I’m sorry I said shame on you even though I think it is wrong to use the prophet’s words they way you did. I do think anyone should be very careful how they do use our prophet’s words and be clear on whether their words when spoken were ‘prophetic’ and doctrinal or just opinion. Our doctrine is very clear on the difference so that the membership may have confidence in their words.
I respect you a lot for how much time and work that you obviously put into this. It was a great letter. And I’m still pretty young so I’m not gonna claim to know more on this subject than you, or probably most of the people that have commented on this post do. But my feelings are that we should trust the first presidency. They are called of God to lead and guide this church, and they don’t just make decisions that after the whole church and support stuff without parying and asking God about it. They may not be perfect but they are called of God and I will support and support and sustain Them in the decisions that they make, because I trust that God leads them and He knows a lot more than anyone on this earth can even come close to comprehending. I really did like, your letter and it had a bunch of great stuff. But as for me I’ve decided that I’m gonna support the first presidency because I know that God leads them.
I think you have a lot of good points in here, but there is a serious problem with your assertion that the church is taking away agency regarding vaccines. The church in a general sense does promote vaccines. We run vaccine clinics in Africa to help irradicate diseases there, missionaries are required to be vaccinated before leaving to areas where dangerous diseases can be avoided via vaccination. The church is not, however, requiring vaccination for membership. The church is simply not allowing you to claim it’s religious tenets as a reason to not vaccinate your children. The people who are forcing this issue are states and employers, not the church leadership. It would be a falsehood to claim religious reasons since the church does not have any stance against vaccinations although you would not be penalized within the church for choosing not to vaccinate. It sounds to me like you are just frustrated that your reasons for not vaccinating are not supported by church position or doctrine and so you are unable to gain the exemption you seek. I personally think vaccines are important, I have vaccinated all of my children with the worst effect being fever. I DO think that this is a very personal decision though and have several close friends who choose not to vaccinate. I support them in their choice and I hope they respect mine. I think your letter has some great points, but the church leadership is not taking away your agency to vaccinate, they are just refusing to be a false excuse, your letter is directed toward the wrong people.
I agree the first presidency are not who you should be addressing your concerns to Bro. Wilcox. They don’t control the government. They also don’t force vaccines on their members. They heavily support them both financially and by encouragement. As with anything you hear from the mouths of those whom we sustain as prophet, seers, and revelators, you are invited to pray and ask Heavenly Father if it is right for you. I might add, you are never forced to be a member of the church either. If you don’t agree with something you are invited to withdraw. Like I said before, the church doesn’t force you to get vaccinated. They don’t even force their views on it. They issued a statement some 30 years ago encouraging member to get vaccinated. Personally I fully agree with the church’s stance as well as almost EVERY doctor out there who encourages vaccinations, because I know they save lives as well as a lot of agony. I choose to spare my kids and vaccinate. I have family members who are very anti-vax and still partially vaccinate but are still very against it. It is important to remember personal revelation will be given if you are truly concerned about something.
i am so grateful for a letter like this. I spent so many years fighting a battle with my son who had an adverse effect at the time of his first vaccinations at 5 1/2 months old. It is hard on parents always having others thinking and saying how wrong you are. There were over 18 who ended up with problems from the chronic urticaria to epileptic seizures and paralyzation at the same clinic my son received his shot at in southern utah. I have been notified that I am not a good parent because I wouldn’t get more vaccinations. I kept my son alive by not doing more. I had a doctor who actually told me don’t get any more for him. That was because after his first shot we were in emergency within 3 hours because of his welts larger than my husbands hands. They didn’t know if they could save him. Today he has not vaccinated his two kids other then a hepatitis vaccine because their other grandpa has had hepatitis and supposedly babies get it if they are around someone who has had it. ( how much truth to that?) I fear they will not hold out and give in now that they have heard the churches statement. Hopefully they will heed to this letter and think twice. The adverse reactions run in my husbands family line. Many have had issues with them.
I’m an active LDS member and it saddens me to read stuff like this. I have actually fact-checked many of these sources, only to find out that they’re terribly inaccurate and dishonest. It’s sad that so many otherwise good Mormons have fallen for the anti-vax dishonesty.
Doctors vaccinate their kids. You should too.
Because doctors are gods? Or because doctors are ordained? Also, I know A LOT of doctors that DO NOT vaccinate their kids- and they aren’t ND’s either. Please, tell me, where in the actual doctrine are we commanded to vaccinate?
The only stuff I’ve seen come from the actual ordained leaders, used the word “immunize”, and it wasn’t a commandment. Even the CDC admits that immunization and vaccination are not synonymous.
I’m sad to see such a vigilant troll using church membership as a tool to either harass or persuade people. Did you have training directly from Korihor? Or were there other entities involved?
Do not confuse anecdotes with science.
The sad thing about “fact checking” in this particular category is that the truth is being obscured by those who make the vaccines and are making hundreds of billions of dollars from them.
“In 2008, Merck spent $93 million to market Gardasil as a vaccine that prevented cervical cancer, a conclusion their clinical trials never reached.”
“Gardasil was the worst thing we had ever seen in the terms of the symptoms that were showing up: coma, spontaneous abortion, death – of course. I don’t understand how the government can be promoting a serious toxin, really.”
(Stephanie Seneff, Ph.D., Senior Research Scientist, MIT; 1:14:17 on “Bought”
http://boughtmovie.com/free-viewing/?AFFID=199360 )
Although it is estimated that only between 1% and 10% of the adverse reactions to Gardasil were reported, there were reported: 140 deaths, 952 people disabled, 6,032 people did not recover, approximately 800 who ended up with abnormal pap smears, 10½ thousand ER visits, over 3,000 hospitalized, … adding up to over 30, 000 adverse events.
Johnson & Johnson had to pay out over $2.2 billion in damages over Risperdal, but they made $44 billion in profits.
Glaxosmithkline paid $3 billion in damages for fraud about Paxil and six other drugs.
Good luck trying to fact check from the people who are standing to profit and those in the FDC and who are being paid by them.
In the documentary above, many people are interviewed (doctors, research scientists, an attorney general) who have nothing to gain and everything to lose by telling you what they experienced first hand in being pressured to falsify data by the drug companies.
Brian has a brain injury from vaccines and therefore his statements are exceedingly misleading and should be ignored.
The church might also consider advising local leaders to NEVER give medical advice (including that which is widely accepted). Some I’ve gotten from leaders (that I told the advice didn’t feel right) nearly destroyed my life and even almost killed me. To them, it was the most benign and obvious advice, but their advice should have been to me and my husband to pray about what to do and to search the answer out with the Lord. Straying from gospel principles and doctrine when advising members is a dangerous and corrupt thing to do and even some of the most well meaning leaders do it.
Hold to the rod- the word of God. It is hard to trust leaders again, which has made going back to church activity very difficult. Although, now, I make sure I know the difference between the precepts of God and the precepts of men- which have no place in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
The reason Brett uses articles as sources is simply that they contain the references at the bottom of the articles rather than have to post every link separately. It is not because they are not reputable sources, there are so many studies now showing the failures, ineffectiveness and risks of vaccines. I can only post a small selection of the studies that I have and even that is a small selection of the thousands available. Please look at them with an open mind and at least recognise that there really is compelling science on both sides of this issue 🙂
Thank you Bro Wilcox for speaking out for my vaccine injured children as a lifelong member of the Church I have been toiling with the my own personal revelations and the Church’s pro vaccine stance.
“This pattern was repeated in the US, UK, Western Australia and Denmark. Thus, rising autistic disorder prevalence is directly related to vaccines manufactured utilizing human fetal cells. Increased paternal age and DSM revisions were not related to rising autistic disorder prevalence.”
http://www.ms.academicjournals.org/article/article1409245960_Deisher%20et%20al.pdf
This research suggests that although individuals immunized with an acellular pertussis vaccine may be protected from disease, they may still become infected with the bacteria without always getting sick and are able to spread infection to others, including young infants who are susceptible to pertussis disease.
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm376937.htm
Evolution of whooping cough bacterium could reduce vaccine effectiveness
“The bacterium that causes whooping cough, Bordetella pertussis, has changed – most likely in response to the vaccine used to prevent the disease – with a possible reduced effectiveness of the vaccine as a result, a new study shows.”
http://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science/evolution-whooping-cough-bacterium-could-reduce-vaccine-effectiveness
Waning Protection after Fifth Dose of Acellular Pertussis Vaccine in Children
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1200850?query=featured_home&#t=articleDiscussion
Study: Whooping cough outbreak linked to vaccinated children
http://digitaljournal.com/article/323187
Acellular pertussis vaccination enhances B. parapertussis colonization
http://www.cidd.psu.edu/research/synopses/acellular-vaccine-enhancement-b.-parapertussis
Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases
http://www.omicsonline.com/open-access/vaccine-induced-immune-overload-and-the-resulting-epidemics-of-type-diabetes-and-metabolic-syndrome-1747-0862.S1-025.php?aid=24058
Recombinant hepatitis B vaccine and the risk of multiple sclerosis
http://www.neurology.org/content/63/5/838.abstract
Relative trends in hospitalizations and mortality among infants by the number of vaccine doses and age, based on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 1990–2010
http://het.sagepub.com/content/31/10/1012.full
Comparison of VAERS fetal-loss reports during three consecutive influenza seasons: was there a synergistic fetal toxicity associated with the two-vaccine 2009/2010 season?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23023030
CONCLUSIONS:
The overall attack rate is the highest reported to date (and to our knowledge) for a population demonstrating virtually complete mumps vaccine coverage. Even verified documentation of vaccination may not be an accurate indicator of an individual’s protection against mumps. Vaccination failure may play an important role in contemporary mumps outbreaks. We found no evidence to indicate that waning immunity (secondary vaccine failure) contributed significantly to this outbreak. A second dose of mumps vaccine, as recommended using measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, could potentially prevent similar outbreaks in secondary school populations in the future.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7795768
Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.long
Measles Outbreak among Vaccinated High School Students — Illinois
Editorial Note: This outbreak demonstrates that transmission of measles can occur within a school population with a documented immunization level of 100%. This level was validated during the outbreak investigation. Previous investigations of measles outbreaks among highly immunized populations have revealed risk factors such as improper storage or handling of vaccine, vaccine administered to children under 1 year of age, use of globulin with vaccine, and use of killed virus vaccine (1-5). However, these risk factors did not adequately explain the occurrence of this outbreak.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm
Mumps outbreak in Orthodox Jewish communities in the United States Update: Mumps Outbreak — New York and New Jersey, June 2009–January 2010
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5905a1.htm
Chicken Pox vaccine associated with Shingles Epidemic
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/09/01/12896.aspx
Autoimmunity following hepatitis B vaccine as part of the spectrum of ‘Autoimmune (Auto-inflammatory) Syndrome induced by Adjuvants’ (ASIA): analysis of 93 cases.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22235045
Diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine has negative non-specific and sex-differential effects on child survival in high-mortality countries
http://www.cviva.dk/~/media/Projekt%20sites/CVIVA/pdf/publications/Aaby_etal_2012.ashx
“Vaccine use did not affect the number of people hospitalised or working days lost but caused one case of Guillian-Barré syndrome (a major neurological condition leading to paralysis) for every one million vaccinations. Fifteen of the 36 trials were funded by vaccine companies and four had no funding declaration. Our results may be an optimistic estimate because company-sponsored influenza vaccines trials tend to produce results favorable to their products and some of the evidence comes from trials carried out in ideal viral circulation and matching conditions and because the harms evidence base is limited..”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD001269.pub4/abstract
Premature ovarian failure 3 years after menarche in a 16-year-old girl following human papillomavirus vaccination
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2012/bcr-2012-006879.abstract
Death after quadrivalent human papillomavirus (qHPV) vaccination: Causal or coincidental?
http://www.naturpedia.info/vaccini/cancro_utero_vaccino=morte.pdf
Japan Withdraws HPV Vaccine Recommendation for Girls
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/806645
Aluminum vaccine adjuvants: are they safe?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21568886
Herpes zoster after varicella-zoster vaccination
Abstract
A five-year-old girl, vaccinated against varicella-zoster virus (VZV) presented with clinical symptoms of herpes zoster in the 6th cervical dermatome. A VZV direct immune-fluorescence assay was negative three times but additional genotypical analysis showed a VZV strain genotype 2 (Oka vaccine strain). Therefore the diagnosis of a breakthrough varicella disease with the vaccine strain was established. An immunodeficiency was ruled out and the patient responded well to the initiated therapy. This case demonstrates that a negative VZV direct immunofluorescence assay does not exclude an infection with the vaccine strain.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23358727
“The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions and spurious notoriety of the studies. The content and conclusions of this review should be interpreted in the light of this finding.”
“It was surprising to find only one study of inactivated vaccine in children under two years, given current recommendations to vaccinate healthy children from six months of age in the USA, Canada, parts of Europe and Australia. If immunisation in children is to be recommended as a public health policy, large-scale studies assessing important outcomes, and directly comparing vaccine types are urgently required. The degree of scrutiny needed to identify all global cases of potential harms is beyond the resources of this review.”
“The review authors found that in children aged from two years, nasal spray vaccines made from weakened influenza viruses were better at preventing illness caused by the influenza virus than injected vaccines made from the killed virus. Neither type was particularly good at preventing ‘flu-like illness’ caused by other types of viruses. In children under the age of two, the efficacy of inactivated vaccine was similar to placebo. It was not possible to analyse the safety of vaccines from the studies due to the lack of standardisation in the information given, but very little information was found on the safety of inactivated vaccines, the most commonly used vaccine in young children.”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004879.pub4/abstract;jsessionid=ECC69035877BDE2A22362F742DCA056C.d04t04
Flu Vaccines in elderly
“The available evidence is of poor quality and provides no guidance regarding the safety, efficacy or effectiveness of influenza vaccines for people aged 65 years or older. To resolve the uncertainty, an adequately powered publicly-funded randomised, placebo-controlled trial run over several seasons should be undertaken.”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004876.pub3/abstract
Neuromuscular disorders associated with Hepatitis B vaccination.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20207367
Multiple sclerosis and hepatitis B vaccination: could minute contamination of the vaccine by partial hepatitis B virus polymerase play a role through molecular mimicry?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15908138
Multiple sclerosis and hepatitis B vaccination: adding the credibility of molecular biology to an unusual level of clinical and epidemiological evidence.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16176857
Acquired autoimmunity after viral vaccination is caused by molecular mimicry and antigen complimentarity in the presence of an immunologic adjuvant and specific HLA patterns.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17630224
Autoimmune hazards of hepatitis B vaccine.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15722255
Multiple sclerosis after hepatitis B vaccination in a 16-year-old patient
http://www.cmj.org/periodical/PaperList.asp?id=LW8451
Recombinant hepatitis B vaccine and the risk of multiple sclerosis
A prospective study
http://www.neurology.org/content/63/5/838.abstract
Acellular pertussis vaccination enhances B. parapertussis colonization
An acellular whooping cough vaccine actually enhances the colonization of Bordetella parapertussis in mice; pointing towards a rise in B. parapertussis incidence resulting from acellular vaccination, which may have contributed to the observed increase in whooping cough over the last decade.
http://www.cidd.psu.edu/research/synopses/acellular-vaccine-enhancement-b.-parapertussis
Invasive pneumococcal disease caused by nonvaccine serotypes among alaska native children with high levels of 7-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine coverage.
RESULTS:
In the first 3 years after introduction of routine vaccination with heptavalent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine, overall invasive pneumococcal disease decreased 67% in Alaska Native children younger than 2 years (from 403.2 per 100,000 in 1995-2000 to 134.3 per 100,000 per year in 2001-2003, P<.001). However, between 2001-2003 and 2004-2006, there was an 82% increase in invasive disease in Alaska Native children younger than 2 years to 244.6/100,000 (P = .02). Since 2004, the invasive pneumococcal disease rate caused by nonvaccine serotypes has increased 140% compared with the prevaccine period (from 95.1 per 100,000 in 1995-2000 to 228.6 in 2004-2006, P = .001). D
Alaska Native children are experiencing replacement invasive pneumococcal disease with serotypes not covered by heptavalent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine. The demonstration of replacement invasive pneumococcal disease emphasizes the importance of ongoing surveillance and development of expanded valency vaccines.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17456820
Aluminum in the central nervous system (CNS): toxicity in humans and animals, vaccine adjuvants, and autoimmunity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23609067
What is regressive autism and why does it occur? Is it the consequence of multi-systemic dysfunction affecting the elimination of heavy metals and the ability to regulate neural temperature?
Abstract
“There is a compelling argument that the occurrence of regressive autism is attributable to genetic and chromosomal abnormalities, arising from the overuse of vaccines, which subsequently affects the stability and function of the autonomic nervous system and physiological systems. That sense perception is linked to the autonomic nervous system and the function of the physiological systems enables us to examine the significance of autistic symptoms from a systemic perspective. Failure of the excretory system influences elimination of heavy metals and facilitates their accumulation and subsequent manifestation as neurotoxins: the long-term consequences of which would lead to neurodegeneration, cognitive and developmental problems. It may also influence regulation of neural hyperthermia. This article explores the issues and concludes that sensory dysfunction and systemic failure, manifested as autism, is the inevitable consequence arising from subtle DNA alteration and consequently from the overuse of vaccines. Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.
Singh VK1, Lin SX, Newell E, Nelson C.
Abstract
Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and MBP autoantibodies. Using serum samples of 125 autistic children and 92 control children, antibodies were assayed by ELISA or immunoblotting methods. ELISA analysis showed a significant increase in the level of MMR antibodies in autistic children. Immunoblotting analysis revealed the presence of an unusual MMR antibody in 75 of 125 (60%) autistic sera but not in control sera. This antibody specifically detected a protein of 73-75 kD of MMR. This protein band, as analyzed with monoclonal antibodies, was immunopositive for measles hemagglutinin (HA) protein but not for measles nucleoprotein and rubella or mumps viral proteins. Thus the MMR antibody in autistic sera detected measles HA protein, which is unique to the measles subunit of the vaccine. Furthermore, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534
Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes—A review
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21299355
Developmental Regression and Mitochondrial Dysfunction in a Child With Autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2536523/
Mitochondrial Disease in Autism Spectrum Disorder Patients: A Cohort Analysis
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003815
HEPATITIS B VACCINATION OF MALE NEONATES AND AUTISM DIAGNOSIS, NHIS 1997–2002
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/15287394.2010.519317
Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013411002212
Empirical Data Confirm Autism Symptoms Related to Aluminum and Acetaminophen Exposure
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/11/2227
Persistent behavioral impairments and alterations of brain dopamine system after early postnatal administration of thimerosal in rats.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21549155
Autism Epidemic, Is Foreign DNA in MMR II Vaccine Responsible? CBCD Suggests CDC Study Microcompetition Theory
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/4/prweb9359508.htm
A possible central mechanism in autism spectrum disorders, part 1.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19043938
Hypothesis: Conjugate vaccines may predispose children to autism spectrum disorders
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250
Infection, vaccines and other environmental triggers of autoimmunity.
Abstract
The etiology of autoimmune diseases is still not clear but genetic, immunological, hormonal and environmental factors are considered to be important triggers. Most often autoimmunity is not followed by clinical symptoms unless an additional event such as an environmental factor favors an overt expression. Many environmental factors are known to affect the immune system and may play a role as triggers of the autoimmune mosaic. Infections: bacterial, viral and parasitic infections are known to induce and exacerbate autoimmune diseases, mainly by the mechanism of molecular mimicry. This was studied for some syndromes as for the association between SLE and EBV infection, pediatric autoimmune neuropsychiatric disorders associated with streptococcal infection and more. Vaccines, in several reports were found to be temporally followed by a new onset of autoimmune diseases. The same mechanisms that act in infectious invasion of the host, apply equally to the host response to vaccination. It has been accepted for diphtheria and tetanus toxoid, polio and measles vaccines and GBS. Also this theory has been accepted for MMR vaccination and development of autoimmune thrombocytopenia, MS has been associated with HBV vaccination. Occupational and other chemical exposures are considered as triggers for autoimmunity. A debate still exists about the role of silicone implants in induction of scleroderma like disease. Not only foreign chemicals and agents have been associated with induction of autoimmunity, but also an intrinsic hormonal exposure, such as estrogens. This might explain the sexual dimorphism in autoimmunity. Better understanding of these environmental risk factors will likely lead to explanation of the mechanisms of onset and progression of autoimmune diseases and may lead to effective preventive involvement in specific high-risk groups. So by diagnosing a new patient with autoimmune disease a wide anamnesis work should be done.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16126512
"Although there is no information regarding the duration of acceptable observation period, 1–3 months may not be long enough for the purpose, considering that it takes 2–6 months for adjuvant oils to induce lupus autoantibodies in mice [8,9,34] and that the oil-induced granulomatous inflammation can last for years."
"An important factor to consider in vaccine-induced autoimmunity is the fact that vaccines contain a microbial component (or other type of antigens) and adjuvant [75]. Differentiating adverse reactions caused by these two factors is often difficult, or it can even be a result of the combination of both. Nevertheless, the microbial components are generally considered responsible for adverse reactions and minimum attention has been paid to the potential effects of the adjuvant component. Molecular mimicry of a microbial antigen in a vaccine and a host tissue self-antigen is often considered important [61]. Immune complexes also may be formed following vaccination [61,76], deposit in vascular endothelium and induce vasculitis. Induction of cytokines or shifting cytokine balance may also play an important role."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15194169
"Clustering of cases of insulin dependent diabetes (IDDM) occurring three years after hemophilus influenza B (HiB) immunization support causal relationship between immunization and IDDM (insulin depedent diabetes)."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12911277
One thing that perhaps few people consider is that we as a culture have become more dependent on medicine than on God for good health. While I Believe that each of us has a definite responsibility to care for our physical health, I believe we need to have more faith to be healed. I believe in a God of miracles. As a child, I showed signs of autism after being vaccinated and through prayer and study my mom was able to find natural therapies that allowed me to live a normal life without a trace of those symptoms. I was the last child she vaccinated and we have seen many blessings I believe as a result of that decision.
Nowadays when people warn me to stay away because they are sick, I always think to myself, “if I get sick by being around you, it is my fault for not following the word of wisdom.” When I think this, of course I am thinking of D&C 89, but what about the wisdom and treasures of knowledge he has given me? What about the health laws I have learned through personal study, prayer, and practice? Are these not part of my personal word of wisdom, not to the church but to me? Am I not accountable for the light and knowledge he has given me? I am. This line of thinking has served me well. What if each of us took this much responsibility for our health and taught our children to do the same? Would we even have disease? I believe there is not a disease in this fallen world without a natural or spiritual remedy to heal it.
I realize many reading this article have strong feelings one way or the other. The question I would ask each of you reading this is “have you inquired of the Lord?”
I would recommend this course to anyone who is considering what the best decision is for your family, to go to the lord directly with an open mind. Don’t allow your mind to be darkened by any influence that would lead you away from directly receiving His will on the matter. Don’t just at say, “well the prophet recommended vaccines so that’s my answer.” I’ve found that laziness and revelation seldom go together. You still have a responsibility to your family to go directly to the lord after studying it out in your mind. You will bear responsibility for the effects of your decision on your family. I may be wrong on everything I’ve said. But you can know that as well. Pray about it. The Lord will answer the honest in heart. Blessings to you all.
Brian, Thanks for your post. I loved it. Heavenly Father is truly a God of miracles. An important question we can ask ourselves is, “Who is the God of my world?” Satan thinks he is. But who do you think it is? The answer to this shows up in our lives, not in our verbal or mental responses. Moroni says in Mormon 9 and Moroni 10 that if miracles aren’t ruling in our lives, it’s because of unbelief. Heavenly Father wants to be our God, and He is a God of miracles. 🙂
Thank you ~ Well said Brian & Allie!
Please read the 2010 conference talk by Dallin H. Oakes entitled “Healing the Sick.”
Here is a choice excerpt.
“The use of medical science is not at odds with our prayers of faith and our reliance on priesthood blessings. When a person requested a priesthood blessing, Brigham Young would ask, “Have you used any remedies?” To those who said no because “we wish the Elders to lay hands upon us, and we have faith that we shall be healed,” President Young replied: “That is very inconsistent according to my faith. If we are sick, and ask the Lord to heal us, and to do all for us that is necessary to be done, according to my understanding of the Gospel of salvation, I might as well ask the Lord to cause my wheat and corn to grow, without my plowing the ground and casting in the seed. It appears consistent to me to apply every remedy that comes within the range of my knowledge, and [then] to ask my Father in Heaven … to sanctify that application to the healing of my body.”
I have no disagreement with his assertion that we are to use the tools we are given. I am merely suggesting that neither allopathic nor any other type of medicine should take the place of prayerful council to Father in Heaven. But I do believe God can direct us on the most appropriate remedies for our unique constitutions, and I also believe he can and does heal those with sufficient faith when we have done our part. Today can be a day of miracles and that can mean more than just inspiration to medical researchers. Thanks for pointing out that article. It is a good reminder that we are to make use of the good the Lord has given us.
Thank you.
Brother Wilcox,
I agree with you on your stance on vaccines, however, the church provides guidelines for its members. My first thought reading this is that your testimony is shaking. Elder Oaks came and spoke to my stake and he told us that the church gives general guidelines and it is our responsibility to ask the Lord if it is right for us and our families. They allow us to use our agency to ask the lord if it is right for us. It goes with vaccines. My husband and I toyed with the thought of vaccinating our children. We came to the conclusion that we needed to do it one shot at a time. The church may be for vaccines, but they will not take your agency away. The Lord will not make a prophet a prophet if he will prevent the ways of His work. My suggestion to you is listen to the leaders and then ask the lord if it is right for you. It is ok to question the leaders but you must receive personal revelation to understand what they suggest.
Tara, if you call church headquarters about this they will tell you that their position they have stated over the pulpit on this is opinion and not revelation. No one is insinuating that the Brethern are evil or conspiring, merely misguided in their opinion. Not vaccinating is does not mean we aren’t following the prophet or that our testimony is lacking. It’s this rhetoric that those non vaccinating members of the church are tired of hearing. It’s uncharitable and wrong. We have carefully studied and prayed about our decisions. Shame on you for trying to shame us.
I am not a Mormon but I completely agree with this approach. This is excellent work and is comprehensive and complete. I hope you are able to publish the response you get from your elders and distribute it on the same sites as it will benefit more of us than the Mormon church alone. Thank You.
1. As mentioned before, you have no right to speak on behalf of all members of the church or all Americans. You were not elected or called to do so.
2. Are you a prophet? Who ordained you to warn the First Presidency about losing its moral authority or leading its people off the cliff?
3. Your agency has never been taken away nor will it be. The church will not take your membership for supporting or opposing immunization
Thank you! Seriously Brother Wilcox you have no right to speak “on behalf of all Americans”. As an American we have so many medical privileges just given to us. Go to a 3’rd world country and ask…just ask…the people what sacrifices they have to make in order to get a vaccine. Oh and while you are at it Brother Wilcox go contract Polio and then tell me about your view on vaccines. While your at it, talk to Boyd K. Packer about his experience with Polio. My goodness the anit-vaxxers need a huge dose of reality. And by the way, this letter will do nothing to change the churches stance. The church is well-informed on both sides of the debate and has chosen to support vaccines and encourage its members to receive them. They just want you to live brother!
Is is a coincidence that UTAh leads the USA by as much as 4 times the amount of children that are born with autism? Is it also a coincidence that Utah also leads the USA in anti depressant pill abuse? Read this article (one article of thousands), that show that folks that take pills such as Celexa, Lexapro, Paxil, Prozac and Zoloft have a higher risk of having kids with autism. Other studies even show that if a persons mom took these pills on a regular basis, it could pass the autism gene to their kids and their kids could have autism. Generation after generation of LDS have issues with these pills. This is why Utah has a 400% more autistic kids in this state per capita when compared to other states.
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20140414/study-ties-antidepressant-use-in-pregnancy-to-autism-risk-in-boys
I totally, do not understand how “a un-vaccinated” child is going to be such a threat to a”vaccinated/protected ” child. As a doctor, I am so opposed to forced vaccinations. We need to educate ourselves, know what is in the vaccine– if it is possible to get a COMPLETELY HONEST answer to that inquiry, make INFORMED decisions. IF you decide to vaccinate, at least give the system a chance to handle the ingredients— the immune system is not developed until approximately 18 months, SO PLEASE DO NOT VACCINATE UNTIL AFTER THAT AGE, IF YOU CHOOSE TO VACCINATE .
Thank you Dr. Char for your post!
We need more doctors like you out there who are genuinely in their practices to protect people, their health and the right to parent and make educated decisions for their own children. Thank you~
What kind of doctor are you Char? The kind of doctor that didn’t take immunology? Or rotate in pediatrics?
An unvaccinated child is a risk to other unvaccinated children, who can not be vaccinated because they are medically fragile. Children with allergies to some of the components for example, or children undergoing cancer treatments. And in some rare circumstances, immunity to the disease fails to develop in the vaccinated child, so an unvaccinated carrier can expose them to the disease.
I’m sure you meant fully developed, but just to clarify, the vast majority of babies are born with an immune system.
Babies do not develop an ability to create antibodies until they are between 12 and 18 months old, so there is absolutely no point in vaccinating newborns or infants until they are a minimum of 12 months old. Yet newborns are often immunized on their first day of life — and if not then, they are immunized a few weeks later. Nothing but harm can come from this practice, and hundreds of thousands of children have already been harmed by it. Why is the medical profession doing it? Doctors, when questioned about this (because they know the science behind it) have answered that they want to get parents used to bringing their children in for immunizations. This is madness.
Thank you, Dr. Char, for your comment.
Allie, the Church endorses an immunization schedule which recommends vaccines beginning at 2 months. You seem to think that would be harmful. May I ask where you got your information?
This article cites 63 scientific sources showing that the current schedule is not only safe, but that by not following it parents may put their children at risk. Can you provide any reputable scientific studies to support your claims?
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/109/1/124.full
Incase you are still reading, Sue, may I commend you for being open-minded enough to ask that logical question. Especially in light of the derision to anyone who dares question this sacrosanct subject.
There is volumes of scientific evidence that contradict the main-stream media mantra about vaccines, but here is one from a PhD doctor that is one of the best summaries I have come across.
Its starts our slow, so please don’t miss out by cutting it short. Well worth your time to be informed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtN0PMJOOjM#t=39
Doug,
Stunning video presentation!
Thanks for sharing.
Hi Sue. Thank you for the respectful tone with which you posed your questions to me. Here’s my response. I recently attended a 2-hour lecture in Highland, UT, on how the immune system develops and works by Dr. Jack Stockwell. He said that a child’s immune system doesn’t start to be able to make its own antibodies until between 12 and 18 months old. Char, above, is also a doctor and explained the same thing. In an article called, “How Breast Milk Protects Newborns” (Aug. 1, 2011, by Jack Newman, MD, FRCPC, he writes: “… although it is not the norm in most industrial cultures, UNICEF and the World Health Organization both advise breast-feeding to “two years and beyond.” Indeed, a child’s immune response does not reach its full strength until age five or so.” You can find much out there and on the internet to contradict this, but unless we are willing to open our eyes and see how much the drug companies control what is taught in medical schools and what is funded for research and what is published, we will continue to be blinded by what money can buy. I put my husband through medical school and have watched as the drug reps wine and dine the doctors to push their drugs with no regard to the outcomes, only the profits. In a documentary I watched recently, a case was cited where thousands of doctors recommended to their pregnant patients that they receive a flu vaccine which they told them had been proven absolutely safe because a doctor published an article about research done on it. But it is now known that he falsified information done in the study that actually showed that 158 babies had died from their mothers receiving this vaccination in 2010. It’s not shocking that the Church recommends something that is false. The medical establishment is enormously controlled by the pharmaceutical industry, and what they promote is “bought” by the majority of the western world. Most people grow up believing the standard lines about what is and isn’t good for them. And some of these people grow up to be Church leaders who simply have never been exposed to the truth. Bruce R. McConkie died of colon cancer and made a statement before dying that he had learned to late about how harmful it is to eat so much meat (which we all know the Word of Wisdom counsels us against). This is Heavenly Father’s Church, and He works through imperfect people who are doing their best. Our testimonies have to stand and be strong in the face of and in spite of mistakes made by Church members and even General Authorities. If our testimonies are based on the idea that the General Authorities don’t ever make mistakes when operating in an official capacity, then we are setting ourselves up for a big fall. I have watched people in high places make terrible mistakes. But I’m not throwing any rocks. I’ve made plenty of terrible mistakes myself. The leaders of the Church tell us all the time that they need our faith and prayers. They’re not saying that for nothing. Think how hard it is on an LDS family who loves the Church and its leaders, and who know the Church has recommended that they vaccinate their infants, and then they watch as their normal child becomes brain-damaged, autistic, and retarded right before their very eyes within hours of receiving the vaccine. This exact scenario was part of the documentary “Bought”. It took a long time, but the family won their court case and was able to prove to that the damaged had been caused by the vaccine. The damages have been in the millions so far.
So Allie, you believe the opinion of a chiropractor over the 63 scientific sources in the link I provided? It seems Dr. Stockwell (The Forbidden Doctor! Ooh!) considers himself a threat to traditional medicine, like a prophet crying in the wilderness. But that only works in religion, not science. Science is the body of knowledge we have acquired through testable explanations. Has Dr. Stockwell personally done any research? For that matter has Mercola or Tenpenny or Wolfson? No. It’s a lot easier to write an anti-vax blog than it is to conduct research, have it reviewed by peers, and show results which can be duplicated. Would you really accept the opinion of one chiropractor over countless immunologists, virologists, and epidemiologists?
As if it’s some proof of your claims about infant immunity, you say “the World Health Organization both advise breast-feeding to two years and beyond.” You know what else the WHO says? Vaccinate your kids! Why do you selectively believe them?
You talk about “imperfect people who are doing their best. . . . mistakes made by General Authorities. If our testimonies are based on the idea that the General Authorities don’t ever make mistakes when operating in an official capacity, then we are setting ourselves up for a big fall.” Now substitute the term “anti-vax advocates” for general authorities. Why is it that President Monson is so fallible but Joe Mercola isn’t?
I think what you’re saying is that Church leaders are distracted, or duped, or out of touch. Please read Elder Holland’s testimony:
“Not often but over the years some sources have suggested that the Brethren are out of touch in their declarations, that they don’t know the issues, that some of their policies and practices are out-of-date, not relevant to our times.
“As the least of those who have been sustained by you to witness the guidance of this Church firsthand, I say with all the fervor of my soul that never in my personal or professional life have I ever associated with any group who are so in touch, who know so profoundly the issues facing us, who look so deeply into the old, stay so open to the new, and weigh so carefully, thoughtfully, and prayerfully everything in between. I testify that the grasp this body of men and women have of moral and societal issues exceeds that of any think tank or brain trust of comparable endeavor of which I know anywhere on the earth. I bear personal witness of how thoroughly good they are, of how hard they work, and how humbly they live. It is no trivial matter for this Church to declare to the world prophecy, seership, and revelation, but we do declare it. It is true light shining in a dark world, and it shines from these proceedings” (October 2006 general conference).
Your repeated excuses for Church leaders’ imperfections are passive-aggressive ways of saying that you know more than they do. “Sometimes there are those who feel their earthly knowledge on a certain subject is superior to the heavenly knowledge which God gives to his prophet on the same subject. They feel the prophet must have the same earthly credentials or training which they have had before they will accept anything the prophet has to say that might contradict their earthly schooling. . . . We haven’t yet had a prophet who earned a doctorate degree in any subject. We encourage earthly knowledge in many areas, but remember if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet and you’ll be blessed and time will show you have done the right thing” (Ezra Taft Benson, Ensign, June 1981)”
You aren’t a doctor. If you were, you’d know that unvaccinated children are risks to spread disease to children who are too young to vaccinate, might be allergic to some a component of the vaccine, or a portion of the 10% in whom the vaccine is ineffective.
It is fact that vaccinated persons are also a risk for spreading and mutating disease for which they are vaccinated against. Much more so than unvaccinated, since they make up the majority of the population – so much so that we have reached the threshold for what experts claim is needed for artificial herd immunity.
Oh, so we should stop vaccinating and let theses diseases that have been nearly eradicated return to their pre 1900 percentages? The unvaccinated are the reasons these diseases spread, that’s why the Disneyland outbreak started.
Then maybe you folks would actually want to start doing something when you saw how nasty these illnesses are. You’d probably be upset when the autism numbers continued to increase despite not having vaccines to blame it on. I wonder what would garner your ire then? Maybe you people would start on a campaign against something else that’s completely normal, like drinking water.
>>>Oh, so we should stop vaccinating and let theses diseases that have been nearly eradicated return to their pre 1900 percentages?>>>
Is the alternative all the autoimmune illnesses and mental disorders we are dealing with, that have increased on the same trajectory as the increase in vaccines? **If you of the belief that vaccines are responsible for the decline in these diseases, you have to ask yourself if it’s worth the possible tradeoff? We are sicker as a nation than we ever have been, more mentally ill than ever before, this generation is the first projected to not outlive their parents, life expectancy is going down, and we are a nation of non immune persons (Most of the diseases we vaccinate again have amazing benefits when immunity to conferred, beyond just lifelong immunity). What role have vaccines played in this? We don’t know because it hasn’t been studied. Vaccines are given a pass and are never factored into the equation, so it is disingenuous to assert that vaccines haven’t harmed the public at large and contributed to the decline in health, because we don’t know. Given the side effects we are aware of with vaccines, it’s worth looking into.
>>>The unvaccinated are the reasons these diseases spread,>>>>
There is evidence that the vaccinated also spread these diseases, but the rate of which it happens is unknown because it hasn’t been studied against the unvaccinated. Outbreaks do happen in 100% vaccinated populations. And how is it that other diseases, like the plague and leprosy, ‘disappeared’ on their own without vaccines? It is worth it to study disease life cycles and how diseases naturally eradicate. It can and does happen all the time. For instance, polio has a 50 year life cycle, meaning there is an outbreak every 50 years. The last outbreak occurred in India (a highly vaccinated population) in Jan 2001, just about 50 years after the U.S. outbreak.
>>>Then maybe you folks would actually want to start doing something when you saw how nasty these illnesses are. >>>
Those who do not vaccinate are not ignorant or unprepared. We take our children’s health just as seriously as anyone else. We love them just as much as anyone else. We have made this decision very carefully. It’s a bit of a slap in the face when I have pro-vaccine peers show up on my doorstep wanting to know how to deal with an illness their child acquired but was vaccinated against. The bigger slap comes when they show up on my doorstep with a vaccine injury they want to reverse. It is heartbreaking both ways. My children are immune to most of the diseases we vaccinate against and are less of a threat than the unvaccinated because of it. We weathered these illnesses just fine and completely naturally, and because I am naturally immune to most of the childhood illnesses and breastfeed each child for years, they were immune to many illnesses until the time of weaning when their immune systems were more mature. The only way I became immune was because I contracted the childhood illness in childhood. I am grateful that my own daughters will be able to afford their babies and toddlers the same protection.
>>>You’d probably be upset when the autism numbers continued to increase despite not having vaccines to blame it on.>>>
Wow, that’s a pretty nasty accusation. I’d appreciate you not slinging personal attacks again. When the autism numbers didn’t decrease when mercury was *mostly* removed from the childhood vaccine schedule (there are still trace amounts in all vaccines and the flu shot contains quite a large dose of thimerosal – which is administered during pregnancy when the brain is developing and starting at 6 months), I asked questions, I was far from upset…..so, you can’t just change the recipe of a vaccine and expect it to work the same, so how was the recipe changed? Could that explain the decline not happening if vaccines are a factor in autism (for which 83 vaccine induced autistic families have been awarded by our government for their injuries, so there is planty of evidence to support the claim). The change in recipe came in the form of harvesting and additives. The majority of vaccines are now harvested on fetal cell lines as well the ppb’s of heavy metals – namely aluminum – were increased sharply: both of these steps are highly neurotoxic. Additionally if you look at the Dutch studies prior to 2000 that looked at autism rates after they removed mercury I think you will be curious as to why their rates of autism fell sharply.
>>>Maybe you people would start on a campaign against something else that’s completely normal, like drinking water.>>>
Again, you should be able to make your points without personal attacks on intelligence.
** there is quite a lot of evidence that vaccines were not solely or even remotely responsible for disease decline – correlation is not causation. Just because vaccines were introduced around the same time diseases began to decline (and some diseases began their decline before the mass introduction of the vaccine) does not prove the vaccine was responsible as there are many other factors that effect disease decline such as improved infrastructure, access to fresh produce , better working conditions and antibiotics and other medicines).
“I have pro-vaccine peers show up on my doorstep wanting to know how to deal with an illness their child acquired.” If I were you, I would recommend what the Church handbook states: “Members should not use medical or health practices that are ethically or legally questionable. Local leaders should advise members who have health problems to consult with competent professional practitioners who are licensed in the countries where they practice.”
I want to thank you for your letter. There is an urgent need for people to wake up and see the evil designs of men. Children’s lives depend on it. Vaccine safety and effectiveness is based on dogma and not science. The measles scare was planned And it is obvious what their plans are. Measle related deaths was near zero before the measles vaccine. How then do vaccines get the credit for ‘eliminating’ it? Violations of the laws of health bring disease. We are responsible for our own health and our children’s, not the government. If people would study the true history of vaccines, they would not be following this dangerous practice. It has brought great suffering and death. Charles M Higgins who made a world wide study of vaccination had this to say in the early 1900’s to the NYC health departments. If they would open their books , he would undertake to prove that there had been more deaths from vaccination than from smallpox
in new York, every year for the past 15 years. This is only one example of the in effectiveness of vaccines. His book is called “The Horrors of Vaccination Exposed.”
Polio is another disease which vaccines are given credit to eliminate polio . Again, we are given a false history. Again, mortality rates and occurrences were going down before the vaccines. Reports from governments own database during a period of five years uncovered 13,64 reports of adverse events, 6,364 emergency room visits, and 540 deaths. Mid 1990’s ( VAERS);OPV Vaccine Report Doc.14. In2011
over 47,000children in India wer paralizes after receiving a live virus polio vaccine.
The adverse reactions that children and adults are experiencing are not minuscule as stated in the lds article recently. They are more than we could ever know. Isn’t every life valuable and precious in the sight of God. Should parents be willing to sacra ice their children for the “good of all?” The false theory of herd immunity was genius for the pushers of vaccines to make up to make others responsible for eachothers health. As we see, there fear mongering has worked. Herd immunity was first introduced by A.W. Hedrich and his study was published in 1933. It was based on true immunity from measles, and stated that if 68 percent of children younger than 15 years of age had become immune to measles via infection, measles epidemic ceased. This natural pre vaccine immunity differed greatly from vaccine immunity. The effectiveness of vaccines is only based on antibody response , which in no way makes a person immune.there is so much more involved in receiving immunity to a disease.
We cannot try and fool nature by putting animal viruses (and human) and filth plus added toxins and foreign materials and think that we are going
To get away with it. And we are definitely not going to become healthy from it.
We have a very sick generation of children with diseases children should not
be getting. Cancer, diabetes , and heart defects to name a few.
I am so thankful for this amazing letter that was written so well and so thoughtfully. People should question what they are putting in their children’s bodies and their own. They should never allow anyone to force anything into our bodies. It is immoral.
Ezra Taft Benson said. “the war that began in heaven over this issue(agency) is not yet over. The conflict continues on the battlefield of mortality. Freedom of choice is a God-given principle…There is no coercion about it; no force, no intimidation…He will never force the human mind.
Did you see the full page caution in the VAERS report not to to use the finding as you have chosen to do.
FYI, India has now almost completely eliminated Polio due to childhood vaccination.
Do not confuse anecdotes with science.
I would appreciate it if “On behalf of all members of the Church and indeed all Americans” was taken out. It is great that you have voiced your opinion but I think it is wrong to attach that opinion to all Church members and all Americans.
Now, there is an, AMEN!
He didn’t write that. He said that he was writing in behalf of the Latter-day Saints from around the world who share concerns related to vaccinations.
Actually, he did say that (first sentence in the last large paragraph), but I agree with him. What he has written is in the best interest of all members of the Church and all Americans, whether they know it or appreciate it or not, because if the government takes away our freedom to choose on this issue and they mandate vaccines, it will signal a loss of basic freedom in this country on a scale which we have never seen.
Some years ago, Heavenly Father choreographed an situation in my life where I wrote a letter to the First Presidency about a topic that they were in the dark about. Elder David B. Haight called me on my home phone and asked my permission to use the letter, and Church policy was changed due to my letter. He later told my parents that he would send me a framed copy of the statement from the First Presidency that went out to the world because of my letter.
The Brethren don’t know everything. They were grateful for my letter. The change in Church policy has affected millions of people in the Church — probably some of you. I wrote it on behalf of everyone, whether you know it or not, and Heavenly Father changed something happening in the Church that was wrong up until then.
Well done Allie. Thanks for sharing that, and thanks for having the discretion to refrain from giving details of your experience- even though you know we are all curious. Kudos for your integrity.
While I would NEVER want to shed doubt or dispersion on the Brethren and cause anybody to lose faith in them as God’s chosen mouthpieces in our day, I nevertheless think it is important for all of us to have a truthful and realistic perspective on the Brethren. If we don’t, our faith could be shaken worse in the end.
They would be the first to admit there weakness and imperfection. When we fail to gain a testimony by the Spirit of whatever they say, it puts an unfair burden on them, and weakens us as individuals.
From President Brigham Young:
“I do not wish any Latter-day Saint in this world, nor in heaven, to be satisfied with anything I do, unless the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ, the spirit of revelation, makes them satisfied…. Suppose that the people were heedless, that they manifested no concern with regard to the things of the Kingdom of God, but threw the whole burden upon the leaders of the people, saying, ‘If the brethren who take charge of matters are satisfied, we are,’ this is not pleasing in the sight of the Lord.”
“… convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or by the Word of God, and we will be ever grateful for the information, and you will ever have the pleasing reflection that you have been instruments in the hands of God of redeeming your fellow beings from the darkness which you may see enveloping their minds.”
– Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, pp. 15-16
Hoping this is how the Brethren felt towards you, Allie….
“President Wilford Woodruff is a man of wisdom and experience, and we respect him, but we do not believe his personal views or utterances are revelations from God; and when ‘Thus saith the Lord,’ comes from him, the saints investigate it: they do not shut their eyes and take it down like a pill.”
– Apostle Charles W. Penrose, Millennial Star, v. 54, p. 191
I also don’t want to shed any doubt or dispersions on the Brethren, whom I know are the Lord’s anointed and the men He works through to run His Church. I love them and I believe in them and pray for them. I personally saw “the mantel” fall upon Pres. Monson when he was made President of the Church in April, 2008. Doug’s quotes above cover the situation really well.
Thanks for the correction, Allie,and thank you for your comments.
First, exercising your “agency” and choosing not to vaccinate your perfectly healthy child infringes upon the “agency” of the rest of the human population due to herd immunity Brother Wilcox. You would know this if you know anything about the OTHER side of vaccinations. Second, only 2 aborted fetuses have been used throughout the whole vaccination process. And what an amazing tribute to those 2 babies! Millions of lives are saved every year through vaccinations! The church has always supported vaccinations and always will, why? Because they save lives! Just ask yourself, why would the church support a movement that encourages these awful PREVENTABLE diseases to come roaring back to kill off the human population. I’m pretty sure that is against everything we believe about mortality. If we have the means to help people live a happy healthy life free from disease, why the heck wouldn’t the church financially, morally, and ethically support vaccines. On another note, the church doesn’t just make decisions willy nilly, there has been a lot of research on both sides of the debate and the church understands but yet the church still fully supports vaccinations. Your letter, Mr. Wilcox was a waste of time. The benefits of vaccines far outweigh the almost nonexistent risk and the first presidency of our church will continue their support of them.
Well said Kathryn.
Thank you for your comment. I couldn’t have said it better.
Actually, the fact that exercising one’s agency can infringe on the agency of another is exactly what agency is. The alternative was Satan’s plan.
Wow! How rude “a waste of time”. I guess you haven’t heard of the thousands of people that have been injured by vaccines and the many babies who have died of SIDS after receiving vaccines? I don’t think his letter was a waste of time. People need to be informed and truth is truth no matter if you believe it or not.
Beware. All multi-dose vaccines have Mercury in them. Even if the single dose does not, the multi-dose version of the same vaccine does.
This letter is worthless. Simply because the Church recommends or endorses anything doesn’t mean it is gospel or commandment. Everyone has free agency. This policy is simply what is best for most of the people most of time. Science and decades of evidence has proven that immunizations are a good thing most of the time. This does not mean that a person can’t have personal revelation that immunizations would be bad for their children. The Church also recommends that women don’t work unless absolutely necessary. It’s the best policy for most of the people most of the time, however their are obviously many situation that would warrant the need for a mother to work. Asking Church leaders to say that immunizations are a personal choice is a mute point. It is implied, otherwise it would have been issued as a proclamation or similar. On the flip side if they were really as evil as some people think (evil pharmaceutical companies out to get you) don’t you think the Lord would warn us through our prophet? He warned us nearly a century in advance about evil and conspiring men in relation to the Word of Wisdom. People need to use some common sense!
Thank you for the sane and rational comment.
You inadvertently made Brother Wilcox point with your adamant statement. While you recognize that a recommend or endorsement from the Church is just that(a recommendation or endorsement), the vast majority of members believe it is verily a mandate from God. They believe that the Prophets need not say “Thus saith the Lord” for anything to be revelation, and believe 100% unwaveringly that anything that comes from the Brethren is completely revelatory and and from God, and that those who choose to follow the dictates of their own conscience in this matter are disobeying God and are on a slippery slope to apostasy if they doubt this policy.
Can you see the point now?
than k you Doug
“The vast majority of members believe . . . that the Prophets need not say “Thus saith the Lord” for anything to be revelation.”
Well, this is awkward, Doug. It turns out those members are correct:
“Doesn’t a prophet have to preface his comments with ‘Thus saith the Lord’ when he is speaking as a prophet? The answer to this question is no. President J. Reuben Clark Jr. said: ‘There are those who insist that unless the Prophet of the Lord declares, “Thus saith the Lord,” the message may not be taken as a revelation. This is a false testing standard”” (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, Enrichment F).
Then there’s this:
“We encourage earthly knowledge in many areas, but remember if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet and you’ll be blessed and time will show you have done the right thing” (Ezra Taft Benson, Ensign, June 1981).
Can you see the point of the prophets now?
Do you really believe that every single word that comes from the mouth of a prophet is inspired? If you do, you are incorrect, and can ask ANY Prophet and they will tell you the same thing.
A Prophet is a man, and sometimes he speaks as a man.
To suggest that a policy on vaccination is a revelation from God is just plain wrong. How do I know that above and beyond common sense and the words of the Prophets themselves?
Because I called Church Headquarters, and that is what I was told.
He that has to be commanded in all things- and I might add he that refuses to think for himself and seek his own witness of all truth- is a slothful servant.
I hope this was actually submitted to the firdt presidency!
How sad that there are so many people commenting on this article who are calling for the agency of others to be taken away! But then again, scriptures warn that in the last days even the very eleect will be deceived; so, why not then, the common man? How many of these negative comments are coming from imperfect people who also make choices that affect everyone else? Oh, all of them!
Many studies have been done that prove vaccines shed, and the inserts that come straight from Merck & GlaxoSmithKline state that you can be contagious for up to 4 weeks after receiving their shots. To protect everyone else, one who gets a shot should stay home for at least 4 weeks so that the elderly & infants don’t catch anything. 😉
That is true- those who get vaccinated are CONTAGIOUS for WEEKS. Unlike those who are NOT vaccinated, who MAY or may NOT be contagious.
So who are the one’s that are putting others at risk?
For example, the Johns Hopkins Patient Guide warns the immunocompromised to “Avoid contact with children who are recently vaccinated,” and to “Tell friends and family who are sick, or have recently had a live vaccine (such as chicken pox, measles, rubella, intranasal influenza, polio or smallpox) not to visit.”
People, please educate yourselves beyond the sound bites of the drug companies.
From Boomberg….
“Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease”
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/markets/news/article.asp?docKey=600-201503031441PRIMZONEFULLFEED10123084-1
“Scientific evidence demonstrates that individuals vaccinated with live virus vaccines such as MMR (measles, mumps and rubella), rotavirus, chicken pox, shingles and influenza can shed the virus for many weeks or months afterwards and infect the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.”
This is hilarious!
This anti-vax hysteria has become outrageous. But first to address the letter to the GAs.
Your agency is not revoked because the GAs researched this and issued their findings.
Probably the best way to talk about this issue is in relationship to doing what is necessary for salvation. If you are sick and request a priesthood blessing it does not absolve you from doing everything else in your power to be healed. That includes doctors, hospitals, medicine, prayer etc. If, however, you use your agency and chose not to use doctors, hospitals, medicine, prayer etc. then you are not doing everything you can to recover and are out of line with the gospel preached by the Church. Salvation is after all a self-help program.
Please read the talk by Dallin H. Oakes from General Conference a few years back in 2010. The talk is entitled “Healing the Sick.” Here are a few choice excerpts.
Latter-day Saints believe in applying the best available scientific knowledge and techniques. We use nutrition, exercise, and other practices to preserve health, and we enlist the help of healing practitioners, such as physicians and surgeons, to restore health.
The use of medical science is not at odds with our prayers of faith and our reliance on priesthood blessings. When a person requested a priesthood blessing, Brigham Young would ask, “Have you used any remedies?” To those who said no because “we wish the Elders to lay hands upon us, and we have faith that we shall be healed,” President Young replied: “That is very inconsistent according to my faith. If we are sick, and ask the Lord to heal us, and to do all for us that is necessary to be done, according to my understanding of the Gospel of salvation, I might as well ask the Lord to cause my wheat and corn to grow, without my plowing the ground and casting in the seed. It appears consistent to me to apply every remedy that comes within the range of my knowledge, and [then] to ask my Father in Heaven … to sanctify that application to the healing of my body.”
To those suffering, please remember that anecdotes are not science. Also don’t forget that tens of millions of children have been vaccinated without problem saving countless other millions from the suffering of readily treatable diseases.
Lastly, those who claim there are studies that substantiate your belief that vaccines have caused autism and other ills. Please look a little further, you will not find a peer reviewed study anywhere that bears out your anecdotal beliefs. This anti-vax hysteria is akin to the Maine legislature that is seeking to make the use of seat belts optional because of a single 70-car pile up (no fatalities BTW) that ignores the decades of proof that seat belts save lives.
I whole heartedly support Bro Brett Wicox, could not have said it better.
As one studies the links on Vaccine Warnings below, you can not but admire Dr Wakefield and all those who are promoting safe vaccination practices, asking for more information so that informed decisions can be made by parents. Far to much harm is currently being caused
For the sake of your children and grand children, please view the links below
1) http://boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/thank-you.php?AFFID=NONE&[email protected]
2) http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx
3) http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx
4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs
Sincerely
Andre du Plessis
Cape Town South Africa
Thank you!
Dear bro Brett
I admire your tenacity and perseverance and insight
I have been following the global vaccine debate and have had contact with my Medical Aid and Merck SA and USA and yet have to find satisfactory answers from them, especially on MMR and Gardasil HPV
As you listen to some of the included links below , BOUGHT which I am sure you have seen, I can only say I admire a person like Dr Wakefield and Dr Mercola, David Wolfe and Mike Adams of Natural News
1) http://boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/thank-you.php?AFFID=NONE&[email protected]
2) http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx
3) http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx
4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs
All the best with your efforts, we support and admire your quest for freedom and the truth
Sincerely
Bro Andre du Plessis
I support this. Times one hundred. With science based evidence to boot. Thanks for taking the time to write this.
I am so grateful Brett wrote this letter! After reading the article by the church from 1987, it certainly didn’t feel like they were giving general guidelines–I felt like I was being reprimanded for not vaccinating my kids–a decision we came to after much deliberation, prayer, and research–not apathy. We have family members on my husband’s side that are vaccine injured that we found out about after we made our decision. It is a real and dangerous risk to vaccinate children. My husband’s testimony is already shaky and to have so many “good and faithful” members circulate these articles about the church’s very strong pro vax stance urging people that the right and responsible thing to do is vaccinate your kids, has not helped the situation. Many members have used these articles as ammunition for their pro vax mentality–and I agree with Allie’s comments–sometimes the leaders are busy and don’t have all the information. Sometimes they need things brought to their attention. And I think the tone of the article wasn’t threatening so much as making an observation. If our family members had been faithful members and vaccinated on the urge of church leaders–they very well could have been very shaken in their testimonies. Others might well get the notion to sue the church for injuries received under church guidance. I know this is speculation at best–but a real possibility none the less. I will be attaching a copy of Brett’s letter to my own letter and sending it in as well. More neutrality is needed from such a widely influential church on such a risky subject. My heart and prayers go out to all vaccine injured and grieving families.
The church will never decree “You must wear seat belts”. They want you to use common sense.
Seat Belts Save LIVES. According to the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration), out of 100 potentially deadly crashes, where seat belts were in use, lives were credited as being SAVED by the use of a seat belt in 86.5%. 12.7% were unknown whether the seat belts saved the life, and less than 1% (0.8%) actually cost the life from the use of the seat belt.
Each time you get in your car, you should pray and ask God if today it the day you will not need your seat belt, and don’t buckle up. It’s your choice, and you shouldn’t be told by Church or Government that you must wear a seat belt. (Stats show that you have a chance of dying by wearing a seat belt in a deadly crash).
Every day you send your kids out into the world, you should pray that today is NOT the day that they are exposed to Mumps, Measles, Rubella, Polio and other previously eradicated diseases (eradicated by Responsible parents who vaccinated).
Because you are ignorant and bad at MATH, and don’t understand that MATH is why we wear seat belts and take preventative steps…what Vaccinations are all about, maybe God will have mercy on you and your family because you don’t understand odds. How are those lottery tickets going? Hit the big jackpot yet. Do the MATH.
Vaccinate your children!
Your argument is weak… if we are mandating vaccines to “Save Lives”, then lets also make smoking and drinking alcohol illegal, do you know the death toll and cost to us as a nation to allow people to have those free agencies? Smoking kills 480,000 people a year, and sadly 2nd hand smoke (innocent victims) kills 42,000 people a year. Total economic cost of smoking is more than $300 billion a year, nearly $170 billion in direct medical care for adults, more than $156 billion in lost productivity due to premature death and exposure to secondhand smoke. (this doesn’t even count the numerous smoke “breaks”). Each day, more than 3,200 people younger than 18 years of age smoke their first cigarette, an estimated 2,100 youth and young adults who have been occasional smokers become daily cigarette smokers. Yet we don’t take away their “RIGHT TO SMOKE”. Why? Well because the cigarette manufacturers have bought the right to poison our families. Lets talk about alcohol… drunk driving costs us about $200 BILLION dollars a year, 100,000 people a year die from alcohol related deaths. Then if you look at the medical expenses for all the diseases that are caused by alcohol, you are well over $250 BILLION dollars… Then if you look at the 2.5 million people that are treated each year (which is only a SMALL % of actual alcoholics), you can imagine the strain on society, marriages, children etc.
My point is why are we fighting about Measles (not one death in the US in over 10 years) Polio, which is now mostly vaccine caused (just look at India since Bill Gates pushed Polio vaccines there), Chicken Pox, you know the deadly chicken pox…geez Most “diseases” we vaccinate for have almost no deaths, and most those that have deaths, are not to healthy individuals, but immune compromised.. meaning any bug or illness could easily kill them. Some like to use this argument to vaccinate everyone to protect this group… yet with a ironic twist they are shedding the very illnesses they claim to want to protect this group from… and no one warns them to stay out of public, or away from the young and elderly, or immune compromised. In fact most people don’t even no which vaccines shed, because doctors never tell them. So how concerned really are those that claim that vaccines will protect the immune compromised. I would argue they aren’t concerned at all… they love people dying from the illnesses, as they can trick the uninformed public that this is more reason to vaccinate, even though the vaccines are spreading diseases.
So you are pro-choice vaccine but not pro-choice abortion…
That makes sense.
Actually, that does make sense. Both of those are working to the save the lives of children in an educated and not “herd-thinking” way.
In all likelihood, he’s pro life and pro vaccine choice – wants to protect lives. How are those in disharmony?
Vaccines are a drug and a biological product. They have side effects and should never be given without precautions. Telling anyone to just get vaccinated is dangerous advise. The Dr. Administering the vaccine should be asking questions about the child’s family history of things such as convulsions, allergies, etc. and they should tell you the side effects. Adequate treatment provisions, including epinephrine injection should be available for immediate use should anaphylactic reaction occur.
Some of the ingredients in vaccines are- sodium chloride, propagated chick embryo, acetone, aluminum hydroxide, formaldehyde, thimerisol , neomycin(antibiotic, polysorbate 80, animal tissues, calf serum, and MSG. This doesn’t sound like a mixture to bring health or immunity. The opposite is true.
Some of the adverse reactions are encephalopathy, arthritis, paralysis, seizures, Gullain Barre Syndrome, Stevens -Johnson syndrome, aseptic meningitis, diabetes, atypical measles, vasculitis(inflammation of the blood vessels), nerve deafness, MS, and febrile convulsions to name a few.
Infectious diseases in America , such as diphtheria, measles, tetanus, pertussis had a combined reduction in death rate by 95 %. Improvement in sanitation, water quality and hygiene , safer food distribution and practices, etc. all played a significant
In reducing incidence and death rates before the introduction of vaccines.
We are seeing a great decline in the health of our children. They are afflicted with diseases and birth defects that were unknown to children in earlier times.
If we are really concerned about the health of our nation and world, we would make sure that we are making good choices to become healthier, which would not include putting such filth and poisons into our bodies that are in vaccines. We are witnessing the devistating effects that they have had on our population.following the word of wisdom, by putting whole, unprocessed , organic food into our bodies. God knew just what he was doing when he made our immune systems and did not need man to “make it work better.” he promised us that the destroying angel would pass by us if we obeyed his health laws and the commandments. He promises us health in our navels and marrow to our bones. Isn’t that protection against disease? Of course it is. We just need to learn the true health laws that are taught in the word of wisdom.
This goes for the rest of the world. Sanitation, clean water, healthy food, and good hygiene practices would help these people to be healthy. These people are malnourished and more susceptible to severe reactions to the vaccines administered to them , including death. We should be spreading true health awareness to these poor countries, not vaccines.
Most of all, it is time to stop pointing fingers at the unvaccinated for being responsible for spreading disease. Vaccinated persons actually can and have done this. It is time for freedom of choice on how we chose to take care of our bodies. It is time to be aware of how we can truly be healthy. God has already shown us how.
Hi Brett Wilcox this is your Mother, the one who saw to it that you had all the vaccines available to people in your age group and also your four siblings. As you probably remember I am 77 years old now and still can see the smallpox vaccine mark on my thigh. I grew up thinking doctors were Gods and never did anything wrong. I still have great respect for many, many of them who have served my family so well in the past. Now my compliments to you. You are one very courageous man. I agree with you 1oo% in believing in freedom of choice. I chose to vaccinate, you have every right to choose not to. It seems to me that the parents who believe in vaccines have that right, but doesn’t that mean their children are safe from those who say no, so leave them alone. I made my choice and everyone else should make theirs. SOOOO PROUD OF U… Stay true to what you believe.
Mrs. Wilcox,
Thank you for supporting your son and his wonderful report. I am very thankful for what he has done as there are many thousands of church members who love and honor free agency and the value of personal revelation while sustaining the Prophet and Christ’s order in His beautiful church. This world is getting more and more hostile and foggy and we must hold to the rod of Truth that sustains the right of every Spirit- down here in a body experiencing our individual tests- to choose the path according to the scriptures, commandments, and the precious leading of the Holy Spirit. Our constant companionship with the Spirit guides us to be the best we can be. I would like to perhaps add to your comment that vaccines are not the same as 50 years ago by any means and the vaccine schedules are extreme, dangerous and have never been proven safe or effective. Vaccine commercials are the only pharmaceuticals exempt from disclosing side effects. The PSA’s are misleading and paint a joyful picture of families happy and carefree. This is not the true story for many many families of children with vaccine injuries and the industry fuels abortion campaigns as aborted fetal tissue is used to culture vaccination, for testing and then injected into our children. As a member of the Christ’s Church I would have to say that Jesus Himself would never endorse vaccines- even if it made a Church member’s child immune to a disease- at the expense of a murdered child. What I am hoping is that your dear son’s courage and respectful appeal to our wonderful Leaders is for a simple letter that Church members can present to their doctors and legislators. As many states no longer allow for philosophical exemption- they are now eliminating religious exemptions (which must state a particular religion’s direct stance on vaccinations). This is violating our religious rights as well as civil rights. This letter from the Presidency will hopefully state that our religious doctrine teaches that life is precious, that each individual member has the God given and preserved right to exercise choice based on personal revelation- including the right to refuse vaccinations based on the need to value the right of choice for unborn children who could not defend themselves. I feel that this issue goes far beyond the assumed protection of our children from this or that type of disease. It is the precedence that can either strip us of our rights of agency and ability to refuse to be injected with every type of medicine the government chooses. Or the right to be free. And to protect our children the way we -as Divinely appointed parents- feel led to do.
To all you you who seem to be missing a major point of this letter. The author never stated that his agency was being taken away. Just that the Church should reword their policy to accommodate those who have studied it out, prayed and choose not to vaccinate.
As it now stands, the Church has stated that anyone who chooses not to vaccinate as being either IGNORANT or APATHETIC (see statement from 1978 on lds.org). Let me translate that for you. Anyone who chooses not to vaccinate is either uninformed or doesn’t care about others. That is the last official statement on vaccines by the brethren in 1978, and is still posted on LDS.org.
Unfortunately, what Brother Wilcox said is true: most of those who choose NOT to vaccinate are far from ignorant, and make that choice because they DO care and have made a tremendous effort to make an informed decision.
In addition to that, MOST members believe that vaccinating their children is a mandate from God based upon the current policy and past statements.
All we are asking for is clarification because if the VAST MAJORITY of Church members are right, then those who choose not to are disobeying God, and we would like to know if that is the case, or if this, as some have suggested, is just a recommendation. It really is that simple.
thank you again, Doug
Thank you!
How embarrassing that I share a religion with some of you people. The amount of misinformation and general kookiness from this group is nothing short of astounding.
The score on immunizations is like 50 billion to a few bad reactions. Most of you don’t have the scientific or medical background to make the claims or assumptions you purport in your comments on this blog. How truly embarrassing that you don’t understand how to read simple scientific and unbiased literature, instead choosing to believe biased anecdotal evidence that has no basis in evidence or science. Your evidence as stated here is anecdotal and lends nothing to true discussion about the issue at hand.
I’m doubtful the author had religion in the discussion when he made the decision to not vaccinate. It’s truly sad that someone felt the need to respond to the First Presidency and tell them how to handle this when it’s been the LDS church’s doctrine for decades to vaccinate.
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
― Socrates
No doubt. You should take your own saying. The debate was lost years ago when the evidence piled up in favor of vaccines. Slander of the sound science is all you have left. I bet you put oils on your kids feet too.
DJ, honestly please simmer down. I’m here to talk about the issue, not to create personal attacks. It’s uncharitable to make this personal and not discuss the issue at hand. There is no reason anyone needs to get nasty and insulting.
DJ,
my cousins had three children, two of which were vaccine damaged. 60% of their children are now handicapped because of vaccines. That number is high enough for us to choose not to vaccinate. It’s amazing how people get that “a few of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” attitude. You must not have a personal knowledge of someone vaccine injured. You are speaking in ignorance, but it’s okay. I’m not embarrassed that I share a religion with you.
This is an anecdotal story, and has no basis in science.
There is no proof vaccines did this. Their problems starting may have coincided with vaccination, but that alone is not proof. You must do better than these silly stories, and conduct some actual double blind studies to prove such things.
Stop demonizing vaccines.
>>>There is no proof vaccines did this>>>
There is no proof they didn’t. Why give the benefit of the doubt in favor of vaccines?
>>This is an anecdotal story,>>>
Anecdotal stories are what lead to investigations and scientific advances. It is irresponsible to dismiss them.
>>>Their problems starting may have coincided with vaccination, but that alone is not proof.>>>
YOu are right, correlation is not causation which is why we should assume that just because the decline in disease correlated with mass vaccinations, that they caused the diseases. Science has yet to prove that vaccines are solely responsible for the decline in some of the diseases.
>>>You must do better than these silly stories, and conduct some actual double blind studies to prove such thingov
please apply the same standards to your claims – your studies should be double blind, saline placebo, retrospective, third party studies in order to be taken seriously.
>>> Stop demonizing vaccines.>>>>
Stop demonizing those who have been vaccine victims.
*Should not assume
DJ, the fact remains that if we are right about vaccines (and we most assuredly believe we are based upon countless hours of investigation, and fervent prayer), then these two things are true that are contradictory to your opinion:
1. Vaccines are not effective. They did not eradicate infectious disease as has been claimed, but rather it was improved sanitation and hygiene.
2. Not only are vaccines not effective, but they are dangerous and deadly. If in fact they are the cause of Autism alone- not to mention SIDS, cancer, diabetes and a host of other ailments- then that amounts to over 7 million people a year. And that is only in the US, not the world.
These are not numbers to trifle with.
Look, we don’t expect you to believe what we say for saying it. If you told us, we wouldn’t have believed it either. It took a lot of study and prayer to come to our conclusions, and they were not arrived at lightly.
You aren’t right. You’re anti science kooks going on hearsay and conjecture.
The examples you give are anecdotal. I really hope folks like you actually contract these diseases at times, so that you can really understand the problems they cause and how serious they are.
The reason you haven’t is because of vaccines. They are effective, the science bears this out, and no amount of fringe science or anecdotal stories changes this. Sorry, it doesn’t. No amount of prayer, personal revelation, and your own confirmation bias changes this.
And there is no evidence they cause autism. Stop repeating this fallacy. Even the autism society on their own website say this is wrong. Get with the program, guy.
What DJ said about science, plus this: You say your conclusions were not arrived at lightly. Do you think the First Presidency arrived at their conclusion lightly? Do you think they didn’t consult the Lord? Do you think they didn’t consider the best possible expert advice before making such a strongly-worded statement? Do you think they are unaware of the claims about vaccine risks? Do you believe they didn’t prayerfully consider spending millions of Church (including fast offering) dollars to provide immunizations or the millions of children they might be putting at risk if vaccines were as dangerous as you claim? Is it possible that their sources are more valid than yours?
“Vaccines are not effective. They did not eradicate infectious disease as has been claimed, but rather it was improved sanitation and hygiene.”
If only Church leaders knew this. Then they wouldn’t have spent $16 million in support of the Measles and Rubella Initiative, which according to the Church has saved 4.3 million lives. Who knew sanitation and hygiene could prevent people from breathing in airborne droplets of one of the most highly contagious viruses on the planet?
Yes, that is correct. If only they knew this it would have saved a lot of money, and a lot of lives.
That is the sad truth.
It appears you don’t even understand the basic tenets of science, Doug. Then again, you’re just picking and choosing the parts of the church that you like, right? Because they were just speaking their opinion, and not as leaders and general authorities of the church. Right, Doug? Right?
What color is the sky in your world, Doug?
It has never been proven there is a link between autism and vaccines. People desperately want to explain why their children have autism. It’s an easy thing to blame, even without evidence. Why is the rate of autism so high in Utah where so many people do not vaccinate?
Autism is a genetic disorder. You want to know why it’s diagnosed more commonly now? Because they constantly change the diagnosis criteria and spectrum and they didn’t know about it years ago. You were just a weird kid in the 1940s if you were autistic. Now they have an entire spectrum of behaviors and diagnosis to choose from, leading to greater rates of diagnosis and greater public awareness.
Vaccines don’t cause autism. When the autism groups start saying it, you really have to reexamine your position, don’t you? A meta analysis is the strongest form of scientific data out there. Why won’t you people accept what science proves, instead relying on your “feelings”?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367
https://www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/new-meta-analysis-confirms-no-association-between-vaccines-and-autism
How is it 83 vaccine-induced autistic children have been compensated through NVICP, then? Are the judges, lawyers and doctors testifying all too stupid to understand the science?
The NVICP is a government run program, funded by our tax dollars, the court appointed lawyers all get paid whether they win or not and our government is directly involved in the development and mass distribution of vaccines and directly benefit from their administration, all huge conflicts of interests that work against the plantiff yet cases are still being ‘won’, or should I say compensated since vaccine manufacturers have been award immunity from our government and you are unable to sue them. We are the only country who does this. If you look at the global cases against vaccines manufacturers though, I think it will be enlightening just what cases are being brought against them and won.
So if vaccines and autism are not connected, why does the government just hand over wads of cash? If you look into the NVICP process and just how many cases are dismissed and how many fewer cases are actually awarded and just how long it takes to win a case, you will see it is not a walk in the park. The NVICP readily admits the the number of claims represent only 10% of the actual cases at best, and the number of cases won only represent a fraction of 1% of the cases that should be awarded. So either the government is handing out millions because they are stupid, and they spent millions and years in litigation with the Autism Omnibus Hearings and uncovered massive amounts of hidden memos and faulty studies, esp in relation to autism or we aren’t being told the truth and a lot is being spun in favor of those who stand to profit. If only there was a billion dollar a year industry the autistic community could draw from in order to make their case in a loud and carefully marketed way like the vaccine manufacturers and government do, maybe they would have a fair shot at getting some backing. But they don’t. They only have their voices and very limited time for which to make their case, because they are busy taking wiping feces off the wall or chasing after their adult child who has gotten out of the house.
Just like all the other vaccine scientist whistleblower cases that have ended in exposing vaccine manufacturers, I am anxious to see the outcome of the case of the whistleblower who came forward to last year admitting he fudged autism numbers in relation to vaccine studies he conducted. I am grateful he was given immunity. Hopefully the super rich, well funded, well connected and fairly represented autism community can benefit from this now unemployed and blackballed scientist who’s benevolence rose above his fear.
Also, Autism Speaks is an industry funded organization = conflict of interest = unreliable studies.
I’m noticing as I read all these comments that the pro-no-choice-on-vaccines people are complimenting each other on their “Zingers” and never really addressing the issues that the pro-choice/pro-agency people are bringing up. I’d like to see some of you address the following issues that have been brought up:
• “Scientific evidence demonstrates that individuals vaccinated with live virus vaccines such as MMR (measles, mumps and rubella), rotavirus, chicken pox, shingles and influenza can shed the virus for many weeks or months afterwards and infect the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.” Unvaccinated people, on the other hand, are only contagious if they happen to get the disease and are walking around with it. Not one single comment has been made that gives us a personal example of that. But how many comments on this blog have told personal tragic stories of vaccine injuries? And those are just among the people reading this blog. In the country we have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of instances of vaccine injuries. (Sadly, the number is really millions.)
• I haven’t seen a single comment from a pro-choice person stating that they think people should be forced to not vaccinate. Yet the opposite is radically true. Satan’s plan was to take away agency so that he could keep everyone “safe”. Why are any of you pro mandated vaccines? A lot of comments on this blog have made statements referring to a belief that people should be forced to vaccinate. How do you justify that without aligning yourselves with Satan’s plan?
• The drug companies have had to pay out over $8.2 billion in fines and charges for fraud in the past few years alone (Merck $3 billion, Johnson & Johnson $2.2 billion, GlaxoSmithKline $3 billion), and this while they were making more than 10 times that much in profits. Why are the pro-vaccine people believing their advertising and hype? They have everything to gain and not much to lose by lying, and it has been proven over and over again that they lie and commit fraud and falsify research and hide research that could harm their profits. And yet the whistleblowers who have come forward from the drug companies have nothing to gain and everything to lose and have come forward anyway — at enormous cost to themselves.
• The Brethren make mistakes. I told you my own personal story above of writing a letter to the First Presidency that was much appreciated by them and changed Church policy on something happening in the Church that was wrong. It’s always OK to make an attempt to help someone understand a broader perspective. That’s what “every member a missionary”‘s core tenet is. The Church changes it’s policies all the time. The Brethren are doing the best they can, but they change policy when they come up with something better, or a hope that something else is better, or they find out that they have been wrong. Don’t we always say, “This is the true and LIVING Church”? A living Church is like a living person who is constantly growing and learning more and becoming sanctified. “We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.” (9th Article of Faith.) This is an Article of Faith stating that the Church doesn’t know everything already.
• The 1978 statement by the First Presidency didn’t just suggest vaccinations. It stated, “then they may wish to join other public-spirited citizens in efforts to eradicate ignorance and apathy that have caused the disturbingly low levels of childhood immunization.” This statement was made with good intentions, but many people on this blog have given you their personal examples of the prayer and study and fasting that went into their decisions to not vaccinate — not ignorance or apathy. Many made this decision after personally experiencing vaccine injuries in their own families. A modification in the Church’s 1978 stance is needed and would be much appreciated. Suggesting that is not worthless. All that these people are wanting is to continue to have the right to choose, and to have the Church support that right by taking off the whammy it laid out as a blanket statement in 1978 on everyone who doesn’t vaccinate.
• And lastly, a question to those of you who have supposedly “debunked” Bro. Wilcox’s sources by “fact-checking” (“I have actually fact-checked many of these sources, only to find out that they’re terribly inaccurate and dishonest.” – Brian Casaday): What did you use for your facts? Did you use statements from Merck or the government? We have endless evidence that both of them are dishonest. Can you comment on this? What are your facts?
• No one on this blog has said that vaccines are worthless. They have only stated that they are dangerous, which is a fact not even in question.
• I’m a mathematician. It’s hard to prove something is true, but it’s easy to prove something is false — it only takes one example of something being false to prove that a statement is false. Many of you are believing that it’s ridiculous to believe that vaccines cause autism. (There are 3.5 million autistic Americans at this time. Over 1 in 68 children now become autistic, with that rate increasing every year. This is considered an epidemic.) How many people on this blog (and on other blogs) have told you that their perfectly normal child became autistic after receiving a vaccination? (And sometimes it has occurred within mere hours.) Who is it that has told you that vaccines don’t cause autism? The drug companies? The government? Do you realize how many billions of dollars are going into discrediting people who attempt to publish research or facts that show otherwise?
• A fabulous documentary on this topic called “Bought” was made recently and is publicly viewable for free until March 6th: http://boughtmovie.com/free-viewing/?AFFID=199360 . Those interviewed include top research scientists, affected parents, and a U.S. Attorney General making a statement at a press conference about a $3 billion fine being levied against one of the major drug companies for fraud.
Great comment, Allie. I would love to see the responses. Keep it classy, folks.
You rock it.
I’d be happy to respond. Which points do you want addressed first?
“Scientific evidence demonstrates that individuals vaccinated with live virus vaccines such as MMR (measles, mumps and rubella), rotavirus, chicken pox, shingles and influenza can shed the virus for many weeks or months afterwards and infect the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.” Unvaccinated people, on the other hand, are only contagious if they happen to get the disease and are walking around with it. Not one single comment has been made that gives us a personal example of that. ”
Here’s a comment. Think about it logically… if people really were contagious at any significant rate after getting vaccinated, then you’d expect outbreaks to occur AFTER groups of people got vaccinated. Look at the measles vaccine. Prior to the vaccine being licensed in the 1960s, over 400,000 Americans got measles each year (not including unreported cases). After the vaccine was licensed, over one hundred million Americans got vaccinated within a few years. Instead of catastrophic outbreaks, the number of measles cases plummeted by 90% within 5 years, and 98% within 30 years. The same is true of many other vaccine-preventable diseases.
The author isn’t being honest. What are his sources? One takes you to an anti-vax blog that spreads the same false rumors as this article, and the other, ironically, is from John’s Hopkins Medical Center that completely contradicts the first source and even has web pages set up specifically to refute the false rumors. Here’s one of them. http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/publications/patriot_life/winter_2015/dispelling_myths_about_childhood_vaccinations
The actual link he provides to Johns Hopkins is broken. I’m guessing the author just copied the link from some other article without actually checking it.
“But how many comments on this blog have told personal tragic stories of vaccine injuries? And those are just among the people reading this blog. In the country we have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of instances of vaccine injuries. (Sadly, the number is really millions.)”
What’s your definition of a vaccine injury? If it’s a rash or mild fever, then yeah, thousands, maybe even millions have got it. But if you’re referring to more serious and permanent effects (aka “injuries”), it’s a different story. Even the author pointed to a source (though not a great one) that stated fewer than 4000 injuries occurred over the last 25 years, and BILLIONS of vaccines have been administered during that time. To put that in perspective, you are actually more likely to die in a car crash on your very next vacation (as well as your children) than to get a serious injury from a vaccine.
“• I haven’t seen a single comment from a pro-choice person stating that they think people should be forced to not vaccinate. Yet the opposite is radically true. Satan’s plan was to take away agency so that he could keep everyone “safe”. Why are any of you pro mandated vaccines? A lot of comments on this blog have made statements referring to a belief that people should be forced to vaccinate. How do you justify that without aligning yourselves with Satan’s plan?”
At the time I read this I did a quick search for the word “force”, “forced”, and “forcing”. There were 21 instances. 5 of them weren’t referring to vaccines at all, and every other instance was written by an anti-vaxxer. I also looked up “mandate”, “compel” and some other words, that brought up about 25 more results. Guess what? I never found “people should be forced to vaccinate” on a single comment, much less “a lot of comments on this blog.” So I really can’t respond to it. Isn’t bearing false witness also part of Satan’s plan?
“• And lastly, a question to those of you who have supposedly “debunked” Bro. Wilcox’s sources by “fact-checking” (“I have actually fact-checked many of these sources, only to find out that they’re terribly inaccurate and dishonest.” – Brian Casaday): What did you use for your facts? Did you use statements from Merck or the government? We have endless evidence that both of them are dishonest. Can you comment on this? What are your facts?”
I’ll be happy to answer this. I’m a scientist, so I read all sorts of information from plenty of sources. When I perceive that a source isn’t accurate, I tend to avoid that source in the future (intentionally filling your head with false data is idiotic). Ironically, many false rumors can be debunked by simply checking the sources that the dishonest people cite to back up their point. They’ll often cherry-pick a couple words, and ignore everything else. As an example- somebody claims that a certain source “proves” that the measles vaccine killed a certain baby. Then I go and look at the source, and sure enough, a baby died a week after getting vaccinated… from drowning in a bathtub! It’s examples like this that clearly expose certain sources as untrustworthy, because they aren’t even familiar with the very sources they cite.
A high standard of accurate, scientific information is peer-reviewed published articles. Logically, something that is “peer-reviewed” is going to be more accurate than something that is not. The “peer” is someone that is supposed to be an expert in the field, and typically several people will review each paper. The reviewers are unknown to the authors, and are generally from different companies, universities, or countries, so the idea that some industry or government is corrupting the system is illogical. Sure, some bad research slips through on occasion, due to lazy reviewers, but this is the exception and not the rule.
Additionally, the authors present their research at annual conferences that specialize in the field. There are several conferences on immunology alone each year, where thousands of researchers and scientists gather to present their findings to one another. If they present false data or have done sloppy research, they may have hundreds of other scientists calling them out on it.
However, this isn’t even the gold standard of accurate information. Many of these conference presentations contain preliminary conclusions. An example would be “the data from our study shows an associative link between vaccines and autism with 95% confidence.” Any real researcher knows that this statement does not mean that vaccines cause autism.
The real gold standard is where the presenter makes a conclusion and then other scientists independently replicate the study and get the same results. That’s how you can know that no conspiracy is going on, at least not on any major issues. An example is Japanese and Israeli scientists attend a conference where Americans present the results of a particular study. They all go home to their respective countries and replicate the study and get the same results. These are then presented in a study a few years later.
“• No one on this blog has said that vaccines are worthless. They have only stated that they are dangerous, which is a fact not even in question.”
They’ve (you’ve) highly exaggerated the dangers to the point of being dishonest. I can claim, accurately, that all drinking water contains toxins (a fact not even in question by chemists). However, if I claim typical drinking water contains enough toxins that it is likely to harm you, to the point that people don’t drink enough of it and get hurt in the process, not only am I being dishonest, I’m being dangerous.
“• I’m a mathematician. It’s hard to prove something is true, but it’s easy to prove something is false — it only takes one example of something being false to prove that a statement is false. Many of you are believing that it’s ridiculous to believe that vaccines cause autism. (There are 3.5 million autistic Americans at this time. Over 1 in 68 children now become autistic, with that rate increasing every year. This is considered an epidemic.) How many people on this blog (and on other blogs) have told you that their perfectly normal child became autistic after receiving a vaccination? (And sometimes it has occurred within mere hours.) Who is it that has told you that vaccines don’t cause autism? The drug companies? The government? Do you realize how many billions of dollars are going into discrediting people who attempt to publish research or facts that show otherwise?”
I challenge your mathematical ability. Imagine that out of a population of 50 million children, 1 million are autistic (or any other condition). Let’s assume that all of them showed symptoms and were diagnosed between 6 months and two years in age. Let’s also assume, for simplicity, that 50% of them received exactly one vaccine during this same time frame and the other 50% received none.
If a study was done, and it was found that 1000 kids developed autism (or whatever condition) within about 24 hours of getting vaccinated, and another 5000 within a week. Thousands of these parents believe that the vaccine caused their child’s autism. From these numbers, using math, what is the effect of the vaccine on autism?
Allie said, “The Church changes it’s [sic] policies all the time. The Brethren are doing the best they can, but they change policy when they come up with something better, or a hope that something else is better, or they find out that they have been wrong.”
True. We’ve all witnessed announcements of policy changes in past years. And yet in 37 years the Brethren have not seen fit to change their position on immunizations. You’d think that in 37 years someone might have wandered into the Church Administration Building to clue them in or something, but no—it’s still part of the curriculum. You’d think that at least one of the many leaders who have served since 1978 would have alerted the First Presidency to the evil designs of the government and whatever.
Let me assure you that Church leaders are not clueless. In case you didn’t read this down thread, let me quote Elder Holland: “Not often but over the years some sources have suggested that the Brethren are out of touch in their declarations, that they don’t know the issues, that some of their policies and practices are out-of-date, not relevant to our times.
“As the least of those who have been sustained by you to witness the guidance of this Church firsthand, I say with all the fervor of my soul that never in my personal or professional life have I ever associated with any group who are so in touch, who know so profoundly the issues facing us, who look so deeply into the old, stay so open to the new, and weigh so carefully, thoughtfully, and prayerfully everything in between. I testify that the grasp this body of men and women have of moral and societal issues exceeds that of any think tank or brain trust of comparable endeavor of which I know anywhere on the earth” (from October 2006 general conference).
>>>“Not often but over the years some sources have suggested that the Brethren are out of touch in their declarations, that they don’t know the issues, that some of their policies and practices are out-of-date, not relevant to our times.>>>>
Again, while Elder Holland is a wonderful and inspired disciple of Christ, this is just Elder Holland’s opinion, coming from a place of love and very well intentioned.
There is no group of men I trust more than the leadership of this church. They are wonderful, inspired men and when they speak as prophets, seers or revelators I heed their prophesies. When they speak based on their opinion, I prayerfully take it to the Lord and see how their advice and counsel applies to me and my family. I would hope everyone does the same.
Enough. “The words of the prophets delivered through the Spirit during general conference are Latter-day scripture” (Teachings of the Living Prophets Student Manual, Chapter 6).
President Joseph Fielding Smith: “When one of the brethren stands before a congregation of the people today, and the inspiration of the Lord is upon him, he speaks that which the Lord would have him speak. It is just as much scripture as anything you will find written in any of these records, and yet we call these the standard works of the Church.”
“Doesn’t a prophet have to preface his comments with ‘Thus saith the Lord’ when he is speaking as a prophet? The answer to this question is no. President J. Reuben Clark Jr. said: ‘There are those who insist that unless the Prophet of the Lord declares, “Thus saith the Lord,” the message may not be taken as a revelation. This is a false testing standard’” (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual).
“When the Lord’s servants speak or write under the influence of the Holy Ghost, their words become scripture (see D&C 68:4)” (Gospel Principles, Chapter 10).
That was not Elder Holland’s “opinion,” that was an account of his experience and that was his testimony. He said, “I testify.” He is called of God to testify. When he says “with all the fervor of my soul,” He is speaking with the Spirit. A Sunbeam knows that.
Amy, you are so defensive. I am not accusing you of not following the prophet. I could not possibly care less about whether or why you are obedient. Your personal worthiness is a non-issue here. I just want you to stop misrepresenting Church teachings. I would like you to stop using passive-agressive, condescending language when you speak about prophets of the Lord (“Coming from a place of love and very well intentioned.” Gee, do ya think? The prophets love us and have good intentions?). Elder Holland testified that Church leaders “weigh so carefully, thoughtfully, and prayerfully everything in between” in making their decisions. Why that threatens you I can only imagine.
>>>Amy, you are so defensive. I am not accusing you of not following the prophet. I could not possibly care less about whether or why you are obedient. Your personal worthiness is a non-issue here. I just want you to stop misrepresenting Church teachings. I would like you to stop using passive-agressive, condescending language when you speak about prophets of the Lord (“Coming from a place of love and very well intentioned.” Gee, do ya think? The prophets love us and have good intentions?). Elder Holland testified that Church leaders “weigh so carefully, thoughtfully, and prayerfully everything in between” in making their decisions. Why that threatens you I can only imagine.>>>
Sue, I think we agree more than not. If you were listening with the spirit I think you’d know I was sincere in my replies and not malign me. I love the brethren. I trust the brethern. I know when something constitutes as personal scripture and revelation. Not everything they say is inspired for each of us personally, though. It is up to the Holy Ghost to witness to us personally and then it becomes personal scripture and revelation. The brethern aren’t perfect, it’s uncharitable and apathetic to expect them to be. There are plenty of instances where leaders mortality came through and it is our responsibility to be led by the spirit to determine that. That doesn’t mean they aren’t holy, or ceasing to be prophets. That means they are mortal men doing their best at a godly calling. Elder Holland testified that Church leaders “weigh so carefully, thoughtfully, and prayerfully everything in between”. I believe that, and I also believe they aren’t omniscient and I still have responsibility to pray and receive revelation on their words. I don’t understand where the disagreement is.
“If you were listening with the spirit I think you’d know I was sincere in my replies and not malign me. “Wow. You imply that I don’t have the Spirit and yet *I* am the one doing the maligning? Please point out any instances where I have made evil, harmful, or untrue statements about you. That’s what malign means. In any case, if I have made those kind of statements, please point it out to me. Seriously—I would like to apologize.
“The brethern aren’t perfect.” You keep saying that. Where oh where has anyone claimed they are? “It is our responsibility to be led by the spirit to determine that [they aren’t perfect].” Huh? The Spirit needs to tell us that? I think common sense tells us that. The Brethren themselves tell us that. It’s no deep spiritual mystery. But your argument is that when you receive personal revelation contradicting their statements, it’s because they’re not perfect. Aren’t they also imperfect when they make statements you agree with? Do you not see how guileful that is? Your only explanation should be that the Spirit has not confirmed the truth of a certain teaching to you. Period. Backing it up every single time with, “The Brethren aren’t perfect” is a passive-aggressive implication that boy, they’re sure wrong on this one. Do you see?
If personal revelation tells you that vaccines are harmful, I can’t disagree with that. What I can disagree with is teaching opinions which are contrary to Church teachings. In a talk on personal revelation, Elder Gerald N. Lund said, “Revelation from God does not contradict gospel principles or go contrary to established Church policy and procedure. When there is new doctrine or new procedures to come forth, you will get it in one of three ways: a. A formal press conference will be called by the leaders of the Church, at which an official announcement will be made; b. It will be announced through the Church News, the Ensign, or other official Church communications; c. It will be announced in general conference by those in authority. Otherwise, we should be very wary about accepting it, and we should not share it with others.”
We should not share it with others. I know, I know . . . that’s just Elder Lund’s opinion. I’m gonna keep trying though:
“In response to the question, If one differs with a prophet’s view, is it considered apostasy? Elder George Q. Cannon stated: ‘A friend … wished to know whether … we considered an honest difference of opinion between a member of the Church and the authorities of the Church apostasy. … We replied that we had not stated that an honest difference of opinion between a member of the Church and the authorities constituted apostasy; for we could conceive of a man honestly differing in opinion from the authorities of the Church and yet not be an apostate; but we could not conceive of a man publishing those differences of opinion” (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, Enrichment F).
When people try to promote activist documentaries like “Bought”, it reminds me of times when people try to get me to watch “The Truth about the Mormons!” produced by anti-Mormons.
Doctor Russell M. Nelson, and several other medically-trained LDS leaders, did not learn medicine from internet blogs. Isn’t it just a tiny bit condescending for a member to try to lecture them on vaccine safety?
>>>Doctor Russell M. Nelson, and several other medically-trained LDS leaders, did not learn medicine from internet blogs. Isn’t it just a tiny bit condescending for a member to try to lecture them on vaccine safety?>>>
Isn’t is a tiny bit condescending to infer that those of us who dig and search for answers don’t have a valid voice?
Isn’t it a little naive to assume that doctors, LDS or not – GA’s or not – weren’t in medical schools that had a bias or agenda and were never taught the risks of vaccines, albeit to even look to see if there are risks? Isn’t it dangerous to assume that if a doctor is LDS or a GA even that they know everything and aren’t human and can make mistakes?
Isn’t it understandable that these professionals don’t want to rock the boat when they see what happens to collegues that do?
Don’t the lives of vaccine injured people matter as much as everyone else and deserve a voice? Can’t we consider the possibility that something needs to change? In fact, isn’t it dangerous not to continually re evaluate our opinions and positions?
“Isn’t is a tiny bit condescending to infer that those of us who dig and search for answers don’t have a valid voice?”
When the answers are not only false and wildly contradictory, but also dangerous, then no, you don’t have a “valid” voice. That’s the very definition of “validity”.
“Isn’t it a little naive to assume that doctors, LDS or not – GA’s or not – weren’t in medical schools that had a bias or agenda and were never taught the risks of vaccines, albeit to even look to see if there are risks?”
Are you serious? There’s entire classes and books on vaccines safety. Thousands of researchers and scientists gather every year to discuss new developments and advances in vaccine safety. To pretend that doctors don’t teach and learn about vaccine safety is just like claiming to be from Utah but denying that there are any mountains in the state.
One commenter, Lillian, has been repeatedly making the comment that “Doctors only know what they are taught.” If this were true, then medicine would never advance, because they’d never learn anything new. Not only do doctors learn from other doctors and scientists, they also do their own research and make their own breakthroughs. Also, they spend their careers, several decades of their lives, treating patients and gaining experience and knowledge. Whatever “bias” or “agenda” is only in the imagination of irrational conspiracy-theorists.
“Isn’t it understandable that these professionals don’t want to rock the boat when they see what happens to collegues that do?”
This only makes sense if doctors are heartless and don’t care about their patients’ health and safety. Do you really think MILLIONS of doctors are endangering the lives of their children and loved ones because they don’t want to “rock the boat”?
“Don’t the lives of vaccine injured people matter as much as everyone else and deserve a voice?”
Yes. How about the lives of those that died from vaccine-preventable diseases? Do their lives matter?
“Can’t we consider the possibility that something needs to change?”
Of course! Vaccines save lives, and it is far more dangerous to not get vaccinated. That is why the LDS church, as well as hundreds of other charitable organizations, have gathered funds and volunteers to help vaccinate the parts of the world that are still devastated by vaccine-preventable diseases.
Regarding vaccine safety, every time you put children in a car, you are endangering their lives more than giving them a vaccine. If you really think vaccines aren’t worth the risk, you will never get in another car again. Check the numbers!
“In fact, isn’t it dangerous not to continually re evaluate our opinions and positions?”
Depends. An aircraft designer may continually try out new designs and strategies for a better airplane. However, if the aircraft designer is suddenly asking “Can airplanes really fly?”, then he’s crazy and irrational, just like anti-vaxxers.
>>>There’s entire classes and books on vaccines safety. Thousands of researchers and scientists gather every year to discuss new developments and advances in vaccine safety. To pretend that doctors don’t teach and learn about vaccine safety is just like claiming to be from Utah but denying that there are any mountains in the state.>>>>
http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/article.aspx?articleID=2109855
Corruption happens. Well meaning, benevolent people are misled.
>>>“Don’t the lives of vaccine injured people matter as much as everyone else and deserve a voice?”
Yes. How about the lives of those that died from vaccine-preventable diseases? Do their lives matter?>>>
That was my point. There is no level of acceptable sacrifice for the greater good, in my opinion.
>>>This only makes sense if doctors are heartless and don’t care about their patients’ health and safety. Do you really think MILLIONS of doctors are endangering the lives of their children and loved ones because they don’t want to “rock the boat”?>>>
What if I told you I was a doctor and saw this play out in a daily basis? Would you believe me then? Fear, ego, politics and financial viability all play a role in the culture of defensive medicine. There are many studies that have shown us that the patients best interest rarely, if ever, is the only or even the highest priority factor in caregiver decision making.
>>>>
then he’s crazy and irrational, just like anti_vaxxers>>>
I really don’t understand why you need to make personal attacks.
There are thosands of MD’s and RN’s You can find that hold the same skeptical position I do. Many I know personally. If their perspective and testimony lack of educational training on vaccines would put you at ease, I urge you to seek them out.
This interview with Dr Wakefield, the ‘whistle blower” on possible links with MMR vaccines and autism is a must to view by all pro vaccine protagonists.
The pro – vaccine INFORMATION lobby will also enjoy it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgWkhWkd_vo
Thank you for your courage and determination, Brother Wilcox. I pray people are charitable and loving towards you and you get a response from the first presidency.
LOL
I hope the First Presidency throws this tripe in to the garbage.
Again, DJ….personal attacks. How would you feel if I called your position tripe and wished for the first presidency to throw your tripe in the garbage? Charity, the pure love of Christ, is an edict we are commanded to follow.
Amy, you do know that Brother Wilcox disagrees with you, don’t you? He refers to “the Church’s unequivocal support of vaccines.” Unequivocal, as in leaving no doubt. What you call “opinion” he calls “policy.” That’s why he’s writing this letter—to persuade the Church to change its policy. In fact, he admits to misrepresenting the Church’s position on vaccines in order to keep his employment. If you support this letter, you support the idea that the Church is unequivocally pro-vaccine.
Sadly, vaccines are not the savior they are touted to be. A little research will go a long way to understanding where our seemingly outlandish claims stem from.
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/immunizationgraphs-ro2009-130115140855-phpapp02/95/immunization-graphs-by-r-obomsawin-2009-3-1024.jpg?cb=1358281699
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/immunizationgraphs-ro2009-130115140855-phpapp02/95/immunization-graphs-by-r-obomsawin-2009-4-1024.jpg?cb=1358281699
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/immunizationgraphs-ro2009-130115140855-phpapp02/95/immunization-graphs-by-r-obomsawin-2009-6-1024.jpg?cb=1358281699
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/immunizationgraphs-ro2009-130115140855-phpapp02/95/immunization-graphs-by-r-obomsawin-2009-7-1024.jpg?cb=1358281699
http://www.slideshare.net/MrChinLeeChan/immunization-graphs-by-r-obomsawin-2009
Or, just watch this PhD doctor’s complete lecture with graphs here:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtN0PMJOOjM
Thank you for posting this video. It debunks so many myths that go around of how vaccines are responsible for eradicating disease. Health and well being are supported by health, not by injecting our bodies with poison.
If Jesus were here he would heal the sick and alflicted the palsy and autistic.
The brethren I’m sure, have concern for physical well being of the members, have far more important issues to prepare the saints spiritually for the coming of Christ
What could be more important than our health. If we and our children are ill, how can we have the strength to do all that is necessary to build the kingdom. If parents are taking care of the needs of neurologically injured children, how do they have the time and energy needed to serve in temples, go on missions etc. We are directed to be prepared physically and spiritually and most topics discussed by the General Authorities discuss both issues. This is a very important issue.
Vaccinations aside, the Constitution was inspired by inspired men to provide a land of freedoms so that the gospel could be brought forth. We fought a war in the pre-existence for free will and that fight continues to be fought today. We are losing our freedoms everyday because of government’s agenda. Why are so many willing to give away their freedoms? Our bodies are sacred and we should be able to decide what goes into our bodies. One of the above comments was critical of people putting oils on their children’s feet, the Word of Wisdom (D&C 89:10) “And again, verily I say unto you; all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature and use of man.” It is quite scary to look at the side effects of the medications we are taking now. We take medicine for ills, and more medicine for the side effects. I am not anti medicine, I know they do a great deal of good but we need to be more cautious. If we would take better care of out bodies and use more herbs, spices and natural remedies it could be helpful. Again, you choose to care for you body the way that is best for you. Please allow me to do the same.
Thanks Allie for sharing that story about Elder Bruce R. McKonkie and his comments about learning new things about health in relation to his passing with cancer.
I should like to share a similar and striking story about President Hinckley.
My wife spoke to a friend shortly after Pres. Hinckley’s passing who knows the Hinckley family. This is the story related by a close relative of the Hinckleys.
Pres. Hinckley counseled with his doctor about his colon cancer, and the doctor advised him to get chemo. President Hinckley, apparently more concerned about the work he had to do then his own well being, asked the doctor if he would still be able to perform his duties. The doctor assured him he would be able, and with that Pres. Hinckley agreed to the procedure.
He started chemo on Tuesday. On Thursday he was gone.
Doug D, President Hinckley was diagnosed with cancer in 2006. He did counsel with his doctor about his colon cancer, and the doctor did advise him to get chemo. President Hinckley did ask the doctor if he would still be able to perform his duties. The doctor assured him he would be able to, and with that President Hinckley agreed to the chemotherapy.
But he lived for another two years.
“Hinckley this week told LDS general authorities he is finished with chemotherapy and is ‘cancer-free’”(from the Salt Lake Tribune, September 29, 2006).
In 2008 the cancer returned. Then, according to his son Richard, “The doctors discovered the chemotheraphy was not working in January (2008). Again, the Hinckley family met with the doctors. At 97 years of age, recommended President Hinckley do nothing. President Hinckley replied again his life belonged to the Lord, and that he needed to do all he could do. He received the more aggressive chemotherapy the Tuesday before he died.”
The fact that a 97-year-old man with cancer died is not unusual, nor does it cast suspicion on modern medicine. In fact, modern medicine prolonged President Hinckley’s life. It may be that President Hinckley chose chemotherapy because “Latter-day Saints believe in applying the best available scientific knowledge and techniques” (Dallin H. Oaks, “Healing the Sick,” Ensign, May 2010).
I understand what you are saying. Perhaps it was just a coincidence that he died 2 days after restarting the chemo. And perhaps it was the chemo that killed him. Perhaps we may never know.
Nevertheless, in the past I have studied chemo and in the process of trying to reconcile the opposing opinions on that subject have gained a personal understanding of it’s purpose. I asked the Lord, and shall never forget His three word answer to me.
Just as with vaccines, I hope anyone considering this alternative would do so prayerfully.
“Perhaps we may never know.” But we do know that chemo prolonged President Hinckley’s life for two years, yet you left that out of your story. (And you said the doctor recommended the second chemo, which was not true.) Without chemo, he was not expected to last until the end of the year. According to his son’s account, President Hinckley asked three questions of his doctor and then agreed on the spot to chemotherapy. It appears he didn’t even take time to reflect or pray about it.
The differences between chemo and vaccines should be obvious. Chemo is only indicated for individuals with a cancer which might respond to it. Chemo has serious risks and side effects, but patients can learn from their doctors—not from googling—whether the benefit/risk ratio would be advantageous in their specific case, and then make their choice based on that information and prayer. Vaccines, on the other hand, are recommended for everyone except a very small minority who have a medical contraindication. The benefits outweigh the risks by orders of magnitude.
correlation is not causation, Sue. It’s reckless to assume the chemo extended his life. Other factors are always at play.
>>>The benefits outweigh the risks by orders of magnitude.>>>
Says the makers and benefactors of vaccine sales.
Nope. Basic math.
Have you had smallpox lately?
Have you gone back and looked at the history of small pox? Vaccines did more harm than good and they prolonged to disease. Once they stopped vaccinating it was able to go away.
In our country we don’t have a TB shot, never have, and we don’t have a TB problem. In countries where they do use the TB vaccine they have continual TB problems.
This is another way that anti-vaxxers expose themselves as dangerous. They’re willing to lie in order to convince others of their position.
Smallpox has been a bigger killer than EVERY WAR IN HUMAN HISTORY. It killed more than Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and has been killing people for thousands of years.
The truth is that smallpox and every other communicable disease were almost eradicated before vaccines ever came to be, as this one of many examples demonstrates.
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/immunizationgraphs-ro2009-130115140855-phpapp02/95/immunization-graphs-by-r-obomsawin-2009-4-1024.jpg?cb=1358281699
It was improvement in sanitation, drinking water and nutrition that caused the worldwide decline. Not vaccines. As illustrated here.
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/immunizationgraphs-ro2009-130115140855-phpapp02/95/immunization-graphs-by-r-obomsawin-2009-7-1024.jpg?cb=1358281699
This was the case with EVERY infectious disease. Vaccines did not eradicate disease. It was stopping the behavior that caused the diseases that cured them.
http://www.slideshare.net/MrChinLeeChan/immunization-graphs-by-r-obomsawin-2009
Wow Doug? Any person with a high school math education would see the terrible deception in all of this “PhD”s graphs. Let me make it very easy for you.
—Vaccines prevent incidence of disease. Why do the graphs only show the mortality rates? Answer: because a more accurate and complete display of the data contradicts his narrative.
—This cherry picks numbers. Why the multi-year jumps in all of his graphs, instead of showing every year, or at least a moving average? Answer: because a more accurate and complete display of the data contradicts his narrative.
—His data doesn’t even match the sources he gives. Why does he lie? Answer: because a more accurate and complete display of the data contradicts his narrative.
Brian- is your argument still so weak that you need to still resort to insults and personal attacks? So you are so correct that anybody with a high school education can figure it out?
Nevertheless, you debunk this epidmiological evidence, and print none yourself.
I am glad, however, that you recognize that numbers can be manipulated. That is evidenced by big pharma who use the same graphs- but instead always use the beginning date as the date the vaccine was introduced- to give the impression that it is responsible for the decline in disease. These graphs give you the whole picture, and not just half-truths or downright deceptions.
Your ranting and insults do not make anything true or false. Feel free to show evidence to the contrary if you choose.
May I ask- did you watch the lecture from this doctor?
Sure did. It was a joke and contradicted common sense.
“It’s reckless to assume the chemo extended his life. Other factors are always at play.”
Oh, I’m sure that priesthood blessings and a few million prayers had something to do with it too.
“Says the makers and benefactors of vaccine sales.”
Also Donald B. Doty, MD, Chairman, Missionary Department Health Services: “The advantages of immunization overwhelmingly exceed the minuscule risks of receiving vaccines.” I wonder what he’s selling?
Oh, and Doug? President Hinckley died on a Sunday, not a Thursday.
Sue, I’m not understanding the relevance of bringing bro. Doty into the convo. Please advise.
So interesting, God tells the prophets one thing, but tells all these kind folks posting here another. So strange. Bunch of buffet Mormons.
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1985/07/random-sampler/immunizations-a-reminder?lang=eng
“President Wilford Woodruff is a man of wisdom and experience, and we respect him, but we do not believe his personal views or utterances are revelations from God; and when ‘Thus saith the Lord,’ comes from him, the saints investigate it: they do not shut their eyes and take it down like a pill.”
– Apostle Charles W. Penrose, Millennial Star, v. 54, p. 191
Buffet Mormon, you are. It’s pretty typical. Either it’s true or it isn’t. You don’t get to pick and choose.
Who am I to judge another?
Hi. I’m DJ
DJ, I don’t know why or how the brethren came to the conclusion they came to about vaccines. Whether it was given as an opinion. Whether they left those decisions up to a committee of “experts” because they had more pressing issues to deal with. If they simply just trusted what they have been told their entire lives. Or if they unitedly fasted and prayed about the efficacy of vaccines, and the Lord revealed His will to them.
You will have to ask them.
All I know is two things. The Church is true, and vaccines are not.
It just seems you’re picking and choosing and using “we don’t know if this was opinion or revelation given in this particular instance” to justify it.
It’s typical of buffet Mormons like yourself.
“I don’t know why or how the brethren came to the conclusion they came to about vaccines.”
Perhaps this quote from Elder Holland will help you answer that question:
“As the least of those who have been sustained by you to witness the guidance of this Church firsthand, I say with all the fervor of my soul that never in my personal or professional life have I ever associated with any group who are so in touch, who know so profoundly the issues facing us, who look so deeply into the old, stay so open to the new, and weigh so carefully, thoughtfully, and prayerfully everything in between. I testify that the grasp this body of men and women have of moral and societal issues exceeds that of any think tank or brain trust of comparable endeavor of which I know anywhere on the earth” (from October 2006 general conference).
Do you still believe they left the decision up to a committee or simply trusted what they had been told their entire lives? How many times has the First Presidency issued a statement encouraging a particular health care choice? Outside of this, I can’t think of one. That’s how huge this is. I can’t believe that they entered into this lightly or without inspiration.
“All I know is two things. The Church is true, and vaccines are not.”
Cognitive dissonance can be very uncomfortable. I hope you can resolve it.
“All I know is two things. The Church is true, and vaccines are not.”
Or, as Brother Glenn L. Pace put it:
“Inappropriate intellectualism sometimes leads one to testify that he knows the gospel is true but believes the Brethren are just a little out of touch. Out of touch with what? Don’t confuse a decision to abstain from participating in a trend with a lack of awareness about its existence. These Brethren “prove all things” and “hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thes. 5:21.) To accomplish this, they are in constant touch with Him who created this earth and knows the world from beginning to end.”
A friend of mine posted this to my fb timeline:
LaurieKae Banks
“Forced Vaccinations are the Adversaries Plan”
Nice to know:
“I know some of my friends have been wondering (myself included given the recent Measles issue) so I thought I would post this. I have an LDS mommy friend who was a bit put off by being criticized and told she wasn’t “Following the Prophet” because of her choice not to Vaccinate so she called Church Headquarters and was put through to the Church Public Affairs Department. This is what the First Presidency has asked them to share with those Members inquiring about the Church’s Position on Vaccines (apparently they have had a lot of Members call in about this):
“It is not a Revelation, it’s a recommendation based on the success our Leaders have seen Vaccines have in other Countries and in the US. Forced Vaccinations are the Adversaries Plan and Members should not be telling other Members what they should and shouldn’t do regarding a personal choice that should be taken to Heavenly Father in Prayer. The Church will never say that you should or shouldn’t because we are each allowed the opportunity for direct revelation on the matter pertaining to our individual families and its needs.” You can contact the Church’s Public Affairs Department if you would like to verify this information and what the First Presidency has asked them to tell inquiring Members calling in smile emoticon Just thought I would re post for anyone interested.” smile emoticon
Written by a friend of mine.
Just got off the phone with the Church’s Public Affairs Department. It is CONFIRMED. That is the statement from the Brethren, and she says it is posted in LDS Newsroom.
Pick and choose, Doug. Pick and choose. Buffet Mormon.
Again, DJ….please no personal attacks and insults.
Emily, do you have a link?
Sorry Amy, I do not have a link–someone had posted that statement to my facebook.
And thank you for reminding those that need reminding, that these comments don’t need to be ugly or rude.
Emily says “thank you for reminding those that need reminding”
It’s funny that the only ones that you think shouldn’t make insults are those who agree with the LDS church’s position (and Dr. Russell M Nelson’s) on vaccines. Have you noted what the anti-vaxxers have been saying?
I’m amused that I’ve been accused of being taught “directly from Korihor” and three times I’ve been told that I must have a brain injury…
and from Emily… crickets.
…except that statement is NOT in the LDS Newsroom nor is it actually a statement from any of the Brethren. Man, you sure had me worried there! For a minute I thought that the Brethren were posting horribly grammatically incorrect statements in the Newsroom and I was utterly appalled. There were a lot of unnecessary capital letters and a complete inability to spell “Adversary’s” correctly…unless there’s more than one Adversary…wait…
//SARCASM// for my non-New England friends.
Whether or not the statement can be found on LDS Newsroom, it is nevertheless true according to Church Headquarters.
Call them yourself if you want to verify. 801-240-1000 and ask for Public Affairs. They will tell you that the statements made by the brethren is NOT revelation, but it is their opinion based upon their observations.
So all of you who are so quick to judge, label and condemn with your rude comments, accusing others of being Buffett Mormons and so forth, I hope you remember that with the same judgment you judge, you will be judged.
And I also hope that your argument has enough substance that it can be backed up by more than name calling.
Instead your time might be better spent doing a little research. If what we say is not true, you have nothing to fear. Besides, we recommend any decision you make that has potential side effects to be made prayerfully.
Dude. You just lied. Again.
elph, call the church headquarters and ask them if their position on vaccines is doctrine or opinion.
Doug, Amy, Allie -thank you. You are my heros!
The LDS church has better spelling and grammar than that, and no, it’s not on the website.
Thank you Emily!!!
I will be ok with the church altering its public stance on vaccines as soon as it decides to allow practicing homosexuals hold the priesthood and enter the temple. Until then, I’m sticking to what the prophets have said: no gays allowed, and vaccinate your children.
one is doctrine, the other opinion. Apples and oranges.
Comparing homosexuals holding the priesthood and getting vaccinated is absurd. Choosing not to vaccinate is not against God’s laws. If you choose to vaccinate your children, you need to be aware of the adverse reactions which can and do occur, including death. If your child has a bad reaction, you do not continue to vaccinate that child. It is a drug and biological procuct. You need to take precautions with administering it. Not everyone can handle the toxic ingredients, or the animal and human viruses contained in them. It is no good science to administer the same drug to each child and giving them the same dose, expecting the same reaction.They were never proven to be safe or effective and have caused and continue to cause much suffering, sickness and death. Man and their potions have not eradicated disease. Following God’s laws of health have . Declines in disease and deaths rates were always due to sanitation, clean water, and good nutrition.
Some people do not trust in the arm of the flesh, but trust in God and the amazing body and immune system he gave us. Some don’t believe health comes in a needle. God taught us how to be healthy throughout the scriptures and the word of wisdom. God’truths will never change. He tells us that tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man. I don’t think he would approve of animal tissues, aluminum hydroxide, polysorbate 80, formaldehyde, etc. being injected into our children or our own bodies. He tells us that…”all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man. I trust in what God has taught us to keep us healthy. I am sure he approves of his children trusting in Him and those things he put on the earth for us to use in times of sickness and health.
Just as I do not believe God would make someone who is sexually attracted to the the same gender, I also do not believe God would make someone who was physically incapable of handling the “toxic” ingredients in vaccines. If that were the case, I’m sure the leadership of the Church would not have issued a statement in support of vaccinations. God has spoken through his leaders, and we should obey. Your attempts to justify disobedience through speculating as to what may or may not be covered by the word of wisdom is not unlike someone who justifies their homosexual acts because they were born that way.
In short, if you believe it is acceptable to disagree with Church leadership on this issue, why is it not acceptable to disagree with them on other matters?
are you saying that everyone who has been proven to die or become disabled from a vaccine and compensated by our government accordingly is not actually vaccine damaged because God did not make them that way? Does God not make those born disabled, disabled? I’m not sure I’m understanding.
>>>>God has spoken through his leaders, and we should obey.>>>
The problem is, God did not speak on vaccines. This is an opinion, NOT revelation.
>>>>Your attempts to justify disobedience through speculating as to what may or may not be covered by the word of wisdom is not unlike someone who justifies their homosexual acts because they were born that way.>>>
What are we disobeying by not getting vaccinated? There was no command to vaccinate, therefore no disobedience, therefore no sin and no justification.
>>> if you believe it is acceptable to disagree with Church leadership on this issue, why is it not acceptable to disagree with them on other matters?>>
If it is an opinion, then we have every right to receive revelation for ourselves and disagree. This is not a matter of faithfulness. This is a matter of either being spiritually apathetic and lazy, or spiritually proactive. Just because my revelation on vaccines doesn’t match yours doesn’t make either of us wrong. It is sanctimonious to infer otherwise.
Out of curiosity, of the billions of people in the world that have been vaccinated, or over 300 million in the U.S., how many have died from vaccines?
If you are inferring there is an acceptable level of sacrifice for the greater good, I’m afraid our convo ends here.
What I’m getting at is that if you have EVER taken your children swimming, or EVER driven them around in a car (even in proper child safety seats and obeying all traffic rules), you have endangered their lives far more than if you would have gotten them vaccinated.
The math proves it.
Christine, you said, “Declines in disease and deaths rates were always due to sanitation, clean water, and good nutrition.” The US had a massive outbreak of measles from 1989–1991, with a total of more than 55,000 infections. Was that due to a lack of sanitation? Measles is spread through air droplets. How do you sanitize air?
“Some people trust in God and the amazing body and immune system he gave us.” I guess President Packer’s sister Adele must not have trusted God enough. She died of the measles.
“I am sure he approves of his children trusting in Him and those things he put on the earth for us to use in times of sickness and health.” So true! And do you know what some of those things are? Modern medicine!
“Scientific knowledge . . . and the wonders of modern medicine have come from the Lord to enhance His work throughout the world” (James E. Faust,“Of Seeds and Soils,” October 1999 general conference).
“Think of the wonders of modern medicine. I stand amazed. . . . Man’s ingenuity knows no end when the God of heaven inspires and pours out light and knowledge” (Gordon B. Hinckley, “The Dawning of a Brighter Day,” April 2004 general conference).
There is no doctrine that members of the Church should use “natural” healing methods. In fact, “Latter-day Saints believe in applying the best available scientific knowledge and techniques” (Dallin H. Oaks, “Healing the Sick,” April 2010 general conference).
This is the most retarded thing I’ve ever read. I’m pretty sure I’m a few IQ points dumber for reading this.
Why is it that those who are quickest to claim that they’re not ignorant about vaccines are generally the quickest to prove their ignorance?
Dunning-Kruger.
Your personal attacks on our intelligence and lack of charity are an example of one of the main reasons Bro Wilcox and those like him are petitioning the First presidency. We are tired of the mud slinging, personal attacks and lack of charity from our brothers and sisters, who we should be able to count on to come to our aid. Some of the most hateful and hurtful things that have been said to me over this issue have come from fellow members. It’s time we unify in love, even if we disagree. Love is the first and greatest commandment and these comments are evidence that we have a long way to go. Peace.
Why is it that when people present scientific evidence to refute false claims, you call it “personal attacks”?
Please, Brian, your comments are dripping with contempt and insult. If you cannot be honest about that, how in the world do you expect anybody to seriously consider your arguments.
Amy is correct.
nevertheless, feel free to present this evidence you claim- for I have not seen any.
You attacked my last post that showed epidemiological evidence that vaccines did not eradicate the infectious diseases of our day. But you never offered any evidence- just your kind words about how I am so dumb that a high school student could see how wrong I am.
And Amy is correct- this is one reason we ask the brethren for clarification. And that is why we got it. Your and other’s accusations and judgments about being Buffett Mormons, etc. are obviously unfounded because the brethren have stated that their stand on vaccination is NOT revaluation, but opinion based upon their observations.
But let me say this, Brian, even if we were wrong your intolerance and insults would never convince anyone of your truths- whether it be on vaccines or the Gospel or any other subject.
Do the Church a favor- don’t ever try to share the Gospel with those who are misguided or ignorant in their religious beliefs. Your intolerance, disrespect and bashing technique will do more harm than good.
Brett Wilcox thinks people like Elder Russell M. Nelson and other medically-trained General Authorities suffer from “ignorance and apathy as well as dangerous levels of industry indoctrination.”
Remove the beam, bud.
Amy, there was nothing personal in either Brian’s or my statement. He asked a rhetorical question and I answered it. I hope I have never made a hateful or hurtful comment to you in our personal conversations, but I would have to remind you that disagreeing does not equal hate. If I have been hateful, please allow me to make amends.
I will never come to the aid of people who don’t vaccinate their children. The same goes for those who don’t buckle up their kids or leave them unattended in cars. I try to have love and charity for everyone, but I can’t be passive when I see so much misinformation being spread about such important matters. The purpose of the original post was not to spread love and peace, but to make statements about vaccines and the First Presidency, and the comments have followed that pattern. I have seen some some unkind remarks from both sides, but as long as Brother Wilcox allows them, I don’t see how that’s my business. I’m grateful that he has been gracious enough to allow me to comment even though I obviously disagree.
This is the inconvenient truth. People are hurting and they look, not for answers but for scapegoats. It’s human nature. The overwhelming preponderance of evidence is that vaccines save lives, vaccines prevent the spread of disease and vaccines are safe.
For people looking for an easy way to understand the statistical advantage of getting vaccinated. Please watch.
http://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo
Sure-take your advice from two men who went to Clown College and work in an industry where 90% of the advertising revenues (and hence their paychecks) come from the Pharmaceutical Companies.
…and Seriously-Google it-they went to CLOWN COLLEGE. If that doesn’t qualify them to read a script prepared by Big Pharm, I don’t know what does…..
Yeah- now there’s a reliable source of truth if I have ever heard one! The Atheists- Penn and Teller! LOL….
This PhD Doctor may be a better source of truth than the magicians Penn and Teller. Just sayin’….
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtN0PMJOOjM&w=420&h=315%5D
http://www.vaclib.org/intro/present/scarlet.gif
Brett, you say that you are a “life-long member” of the church. Did you send this letter to the First Presidency? If so, why have you not waited for an answer before posting onto Facebook? You have just opened the discussion to all those who want to attack the church and not the issue of vaccination. I hope I am wrong but it appears that your motives are to create dissension – not discussion.
Yes, I mailed the letter a few days ago. I may be wrong, but I would guess that Church leaders are swimming in correspondence. I would guess correspondence must first pass by gatekeepers who decide how far a letter gets. If the Church only gets one or a few letters addressing a particular topic, those letters may never make it to the desks of the leaders. If, however, several people write, the topic is more likely to be considered at Church headquarters. Posting my letter on-line allowed other people to see that they’re not the only ones struggling with statements the leaders make from time to time on the subject of vaccinations. When other people read my letter, they too decided to mail in letters of their own. The more people write, the more the Brethren will realize that the Church’s position on vaccines is causing members such as myself problems who might otherwise be able to claim a religious exemption. It is disappointing that so many of us seem unable to discuss this issues without throwing mud on each other. The bottom line is that everyone wants to do right in this situation. I am personally of the opinion that there is no single one right solution. Yet some of the time for some people the solution is not to vaccinate.
Why is it that when people prove that you’re making false claims, proved even by the sources you cite, you (and every anti-vaxxer on these threads) refuse to acknowledge it and instead insist we’re just mud slinging?
Malnutrition, stress, fatigue, unsanitary living conditions, and unclean water make people more vulnerable to disease. Modern lifestyles make us more vulnerable also such as stress, fatigue, unhealthy food choices, high sugar consumption, pharmaceuticals, pesticides, etc. When we build our immune systems by making better choices, we can build health within, so we can handle being exposed to infectious diseases, etc. Just as reading our scriptures, going to church, and living gospel principles can protect us from the adversary.
Measle outbreaks occur in highly vaccinated populations. You can still get measles if you are vaccinated. By 1955, before the measles vaccination, the death rate declined 97.7 %. There have been measles outbreaks in schools where 100% of the children were vaccinated. Measles is mildest when the infected person has sufficient vitamin C and vitamin A. We are mortal and some times we die after all we can do.
God has given us ways to prevent and cure disease using the bounty of the earth. There are Dr’s who have been inspired by God to give us alternatives to pharmaseuticals. We are free to choose what we use. I am also thankful for the advances made in medicine in cases of injury or accidents. They are all a blessing to us.
“There are Dr’s who have been inspired by God to give us alternatives to pharmaseuticals [sic].” Do you have any confirmation of that from Church leaders? No, you don’t. But they are generous in their praise of modern medicine. “During the past 40 years numerous medications have been developed by the multinational pharmaceutical industry. These products have proven of inestimable worth to millions” (Elder Alexander B. Morrison, October 2005 Ensign). Does the Church send alt med practitioners on health missions? Does LDS Charities send them on humanitarian missions? Does the Church spend $16 million on essential oils for children?
In the measles outbreak of 1991, the highest age-specific incidence was among children under 4. Are you telling me that those kids caught the measles because they were suffering from the stress of modern life? The WHO says that any unvaccinated person can contract measles. Good nutrition will help lessen symptoms once someone is ill, but it will not prevent the measles. The only thing that will do that is vaccination.
The same body of knowledge which gives doctors the expertise to treat us in case of injury or accident also teaches that vaccinations are beneficial. You can’t cherry-pick which parts of science you agree with. That’s like saying only certain parts of the gospel are true. If you’re ever in the ER with a broken leg, ask the doc if she recommends vaccinations. If she says yes, and she will, why would you trust her with your health care? You may want to limp off to the herbalist and see what he can do for you instead.
I know that men have been inspired by God to give us alternatives to drugs. God has told us of the usefulness of herbs and mild foods to treat sickness. In Alma 46:40, it says, “And there were some who died with fevers , which at some seasons of the year were very frequent in the land-but not so much so with fevers because of the excellent qualities of the many plants and roots which God has prepared to remove the cause of diseases, to which men were subject by the nature of the climate. Joseph Smith was a believer in the use of herbs. If I broke my leg, I would get it set, and use herbs to help my leg to heal. God has given us everything we need to remove the causes of disease, something drugs do not do. Again, children get measles from the measles shot, and they can spread the disease. Building antibodies does not equal gaining immunity. The immune system is much more complex than that. Vaccines weaken the immune system and give side effects worse than the disease. A well nourished child can recover quickly from measles. I had it and I can’t even say I was well nourished , nor was I breasted, but I recovered quickly as a child. Again, vitamin C and A are very beneficial in treating infectious disease. Wrong medical treatment can also be fatal to a child with measles or any disease. Breast feeding is a great place to start to raising a healthy child. The benefits are amazing. Most importantly, We should all have the right to choose the treatment of our choice for treating sickness. The medical system and government have always tried take our free agency away and force their treatments on people. This is a great evil in society. They walk hand in hand, . making outrageous profits, while harming millions. They have power which should have never been allowed. We would be a much healthier nation today if we had true medical freedom.
–The measles vaccine was licensed in 1963. Prior to that year, there were an average of over 400,000 cases per year in the U.S.
–Within just five years, it dropped permanently over 90% because people got vaccinated.
The number of measles deaths declined from 7575 in 1920 (10,000 per year in many years in the 1910s) to an average of 432 each year from 1958-1962.The vaccine was introduced in 1963. Between 2005 and 2014, there have been no deaths from measles in the U.S. and 108 deaths reported after the MMR vaccine.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm
http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/zero-u-s-measles-deaths-in-10-years-but-over-100-measles-vaccine-deaths-reported/
Another easily debunked lie!
—There have been few, but not zero, of deaths from measles in recent years
2 in 2009 [http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr59/nvsr59_04.pdf pg 17]
2 in 2010 [http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf pg 34]
—It’s silly to compare the number of deaths from measles after the disease has been nearly eliminated. Alternatively, over a hundred thousand die each year in other non-vaccinated parts of the world.
—Most importantly- the VAERS data doesn’t say anyone died from the vaccine.
“When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.” [https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index]
I went and checked the source. Sure enough some babies died after taking the MMR vaccine… by drowning in a bathtub, or being suffocated while co-sleeping, and a whole bunch of other things.
If you’re willing to falsely exploit the deaths of children to advance your agenda, there’s no question who the “conspiring men” are.
This letter is condescending
and disrespectful to the church and to the prophets.
The man suggests that he is better educated
on the matter than the first presidency.
“If the Church’s medical advisors dispute these facts,
go easy on them; they’re suffering from “ignorance and apathy”
as well as dangerous levels of industry indoctrination.”
How absolutely patronizing and wicked.
This man is in open rebellion,
and it is he who is guilty of following the Gadianton Robbers
who are the ones conspiring to get fools
not to vaccinate their children.
It is shocking to me that there are members of the church
would rather follow the counsel of some random Joe Schmo
up in Alaska rather than the first presidency.
That is how wacky the anti-vaccination movement
followers have become ~ they are bound and determined
to believe the lies and propaganda
even in the face of counsel from Godly inspired,
and highly educated and studious men.
It doesn’t matter what proof is put before them.
Yes, God IS pro-vaccine and choosing not to vaccinate
IS in violation of God’s will.
When the church puts out an official statement
from the first presidency, that is what you can bet
God has inspired and endorsed.
Everyone has ALWAYS had free-agency to ignore
the advice and counsel of the inspired leaders of the church.
The church isn’t dragging people in and forcing anyone
to vaccinate themselves or their children.
They are simply sharing with us the will and wisdom of God,
and hoping that we will have the spiritual intelligence
to understand that God knows infinitely more
than Brett Wilcox from Alaska.
People like him have no shame, and not one whit of respect
for the prophetic callings of the men
whom he addresses with sarcasm, condescension,
and sanctimonious blither-blather.
The man is in great need of repentance.
And so is anyone who falls for his pathetic whining
and his unbelievable arrogance and pride.
And to any who make the “blindly following” argument,
I would put before you that I have done my part
in study and prayer and soul-searching for many years,
and can conclude with great confidence that I have enough
of a testimony of the gospel plan to know that there isn’t
better or more reliable counsel in the world
than the words from the prophet of God who holds the keys.
Once you reach that point, researching every little issue
put before us by the world, becomes unnecessary to say the least.
And yet on this subject I do have some knowledge,
simply because I have been interested in the history of vaccines,
and the unbelievable sacrifices and intelligence that brought
such a blessing into a world reeling with disease.
Only great darkness could inspire such ingratitude and mistrust
against something so obviously beneficial.
The leaders of the church, I am sure, are highly educated
on the subjects of vaccinations, but are wise enough
not to give credit or to give heed to these nut-job conspiracy theories
which are all fear-based and carry no proof or credibility.
Chelle A is exactly right.
Brett Wilcox thinks that LDS leaders and medical professionals are “suffering from ignorance and apathy as well as dangerous levels of industry indoctrination.”
I disagree. The only thing they’re guilty of is not being deceived by conspiring men who teach gullible fools to be scared of vaccinating their children.
This is sanctimonious. No one is a better disciple because the do or do not heed the brethern a opinion on vaccines. There is no sin or transgression. It’s these accusations we wish the brethern would help dissuade the saints from making.
But it does make you a worse disciple when you spread false rumors in order to get people to make dangerous decisions about their families health.
It makes you a worse disciple when you publicly accuse LDS leaders and medical professionals of “suffering from ignorance and apathy as well as dangerous levels of industry indoctrination.”
There is self admitted industry indoctrination as evidenced here http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/article.aspx?articleID=2109855. The average is 58% false data used in clinical trial results. It’s inportant we do not trust in the arm of the flesh.
“There is self admitted industry indoctrination as evidenced here http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/article.aspx?articleID=2109855. The average is 58% false data used in clinical trial results. It’s inportant we do not trust in the arm of the flesh.”
I just have one question: WHAT? What is industry indoctrination? And the average of what is 58% false data? You’re not making sense. Here’s the thing, Amy. This is actually an important study. It has pointed out some serious flaws in the relationship between violation of FDA standards in clinical trials and the publication of those trials. The author found that there was no protocol established to ensure that published studies of trials which had had official action taken against them disclose that action in the publication. But there is nothing, I repeat: NOTHING in this study which suggests that “58% false data used in clinical trial results.” The number 58 does not even appear in the study! Where do you come up with this stuff?
Try and stay with me here. In 2013, the FDA found that 2% of 644 trial inspection sites required official action, meaning there was some kind of violation, including such things as inadequate recordkeeping. Charles Seife, the study’s author, followed the studies that resulted from those trials and found that only 4% had reported the FDA action in their published papers. That’s bad. That number should be 100%. Finding 2% of trial sites with clinical violations is bad; that number should be 0. But nowhere, and I mean NOWHERE does it say, imply, or suggest that “58% false data used in clinical trial results.” YOU MADE THAT UP.
There’s only one alternative to you making up that claim, and that is you lack the reading comprehension to understand the study. Either that or you were in too much of a hurry to really read it. Any of those alternatives speak volumes about the reliability of anti-vaxers’ claims. You want to talk about trusting in the arm of flesh? How about trusting implicitly whatever Natural News tells you? That’s where you got this study, isn’t it? That or Green Med Info or whatever. It popped up as yet another study proving FDA deceit. You grabbed it and ran without checking it because you trusted in the arm of Joe Mercola. Just like Doug heard a story about President Hinckley and posted it because it corroborated his personal ideology about modern medicine. Turns out the story was full of holes.
The Internet has led people to believe that every opinion has equal weight. They don’t. The opinion of someone who reads anti-vax websites just does not even remotely ever begin at all to compare with that of an immunologist. Whatsoever. It’s like saying you can fly a plane because you read a flight attendant manual. I’m a reasonably intelligent person with a college degree and do you know what I know about vaccines? Nothing. That’s why I depend on the opinions of experts. Googling is not research. Reading blogs is not educating yourself. If you don’t have the skills to understand the abstract of a fairly straightforward study (see above), you do not have the scientific authority to make any pronouncements on vaccines. And by the way, none of the cases in that study appear to be vaccine manufacturers. And good night! Even if you didn’t want to take the time to read the study, the very title should have told you that it’s not about anything shady going on with the FDA; they’re the ones uncovering the violations! (“Research Misconduct Identified by the US Food and Drug Administration”)
Still, you claim to teach others about vaccines. So these questions should be cake for you:
Which antibody chain is the first to respond to an antigen?
When the innate immune system encounters a foreign antigen, what cell-surface molecule plays the role of recognizing the presence of a foreign antigen?
Which protein, expressed by stromal cells, drives the maturation of T cells in the thymus?
I have an idea!
Vaccines will be completely voluntary, but there will be mandatory prison sentences for anyone who publicly spreads lies about vaccines. Everybody wins, right?
Amy, I just want to clarify what I meant by “anything shady going on with the FDA.” I don’t think the FDA is perfect. There is room for improvement and that’s why I think this study is important. The FDA has responded to the study with a commitment for more transparency, among other things. But if you were trying to show that the FDA is not trustworthy, this is not the study you’re looking for. Move along.
Prior to posting my letter to the First Presidency on March 1st, I had only communicated with one other LDS who had diligently researched the vaccine issue and decided against vaccinations for her family. So when I addressed Church leadership “on behalf of the Latter-day Saints from around the world who share concerns related to vaccinations and the Church’s blanket endorsement of vaccines,” I knew such people were “out there,” but it wasn’t until I posted my letter that I learned how large that number really is.
In one week’s time, nearly 37,000 people have accessed the letter. In addition, more than 4,900 people “Like” it and more than 1,400 people have shared it. There are over 300 comments below the letter. Several people have responded with gratitude, saying that they had intended to write a similar letter. Some stated that they’re either going to print, endorse, and mail my letter to the Church or they’re going to send in their own letter.
https://www.runningthecountry.com/letter-to-the-first-presidency-one-week-later/
You heard some false rumors.
You believed the false rumors.
You shared the false rumors.
Then others shared the false rumors that you told.
This is a simple lesson in how lies get.
spread.
Wherever there is public criticism
of the church and the church leaders,
you will find followers.
Many people make their complaints public
just for that very purpose.
Having a following makes them feel important
and validated as a person.
I personally do not want to be caught
with such things attached to my name.
Then why even reply Chelle ?
Those who have done the research and the math are very very worried and for a good reason. Hence the assumption that those are Pro Vaccine- information (not anti vax) are educated people that have done a lot of research and soul searching. Requesting guidance from the Presidency is a good and healthy principle as more fraudulent and fake studies are revealed, hurting thousands of children world wide. If parents dont stand up for their voiceless kids, who will ?
Being informed isn’t filling your head with the latest fads on the internet. Being informed is being able to discern what is and isn’t true. Unsurprisingly, the anti-vax movement, ironically naming themselves “Pro Vaccine- information”, is incapable of seeing just how their “information is completely contrary to facts.
If you want examples, feel free to ask.
I do fully agree with your last two sentences though.” Requesting guidance from the Presidency is a good and healthy principle as more fraudulent and fake studies are revealed, hurting thousands of children world wide. If parents don’t stand up for their voiceless kids, who will?”
The vast majority of the the “fraudulent and fake studies” is coming from those trying to scare people from vaccinating their children. The First Presidency knows this, which is why they have regularly encouraged and organized movements to get God’s children vaccinated.
These parents are putting their children in danger
and potentially other people in danger as well.
The church leaders are trying to help them to realize
that their fears can be put to rest,
and that it is best to vaccinate children.
Put your faith in their counsel. It is the best counsel,
and so much more reliable than the conflicting reports
of the tiny people of this mortal earth.
The church leaders are the very ones
who are standing up for the voiceless children,
and are doing so with inspiration from
the only completely credible source.
Good parents, who have any comprehension
of the Gospel AT ALL, will take heed when a prophet speaks.
The prophet has already spoken and stood up
for what is best for the majority of children on the globe.
To argue with a prophet of God
simply because you’ve wasted your time delving into
fanatic, fear-based, internet propaganda
that has you all pointlessly worked up and worried,
is a futile exercise.
For the most part, I like your letter, and I like the idea that this issue is being raised within the Church. The only real problem I have with your letter are the lines quoted below.
“As Church leaders, you have the moral obligation to oppose governmental and medical tyranny. You have the moral obligation to divest Church-owned stocks and sever business relationships with the companies that profit from that tyranny. Should you fail to do so, you risk losing all moral authority.
“The pied pipers will soon pass their newest pipes to you. Will you play their instruments of propaganda as expected and lead your people off the cliff?”
I’m not clear how you feel comfortable writing them, assuming you are a member in good standing that sustains the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve as prophets, seers, and revelators. Raising a concern is one thing. Warning the 15 men who lead the LDS Church about the loss their moral authority, is not a warning that I could make and feel good about. That is a warning that, given their roles, should come from someone with more authority than they have, not less. If you are not in good-standing, or you do not sustain them, then your closing sentences make more sense.
No need to respond unless you want. Just providing a warning of my own.
Well said, Brian. Although I agree technically with this letter in regards to vaccine efficacy- or lack thereof- I nonetheless agree with your sentiments. The letter can do without the condescending, confrontational tone.
In addition, even if the brethren were off on their opinion of vaccines (and according to them, this recommendation is NOT based upon revelation, but opinion based on their observations) it would in no means retract from their moral authority. It would make them what they are- good men called of God who are human and subject to error and bias just like the rest of us.
They never said that this was a revelation, and never said that they are infallible.
While it is imperative to follow the brethren in doctrine and ordinance, I think there is a reason why these same authorities have warned us against taking every word they say as a pill without ever doing our due diligence of inquiring of the Lord in all our doings, as we have been counseled.
P.S. to readers added 3.9.15:
I am solely responsible for the content of my letter to the First Presidency. I stand by the wording. I knew before posting the letter that some would find it offensive. I knew some would accuse me of heresy. I knew some would wish ill upon me and my family. I am not responsible for the myriad reactions my letter has produced. I am pleased that 5000 people have “Liked” it and 1,500 people have shared it. That said, I am not leading a cause, I am not encouraging divisiveness, but I am hopeful that people will at least consider that the issue is far more complex and involves far more than just the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Corporate and governmental interests have stolen some of our most basic liberties in recent years. Stealing our right to determine our own medical care is beyond horrifying! If we don’t resist the theft of our liberties, then we are complicit with that theft.
I have little hope that the First Presidency will ever see my letter. They get far too much correspondence to read and respond to every letter. If, however, they get many letters addressing the same issue, they will be more likely to consider the issue.
I expressed myself as I deemed appropriate in my letter. Whether you like or abhor the tone of my letter, little will come of it unless other people write as well. If you support mandatory cradle to grave vaccinations, write the Brethren if you feel so inclined. If you oppose any and all vaccines, write the Brethren if you feel so inclined. If you believe that people who write letters to the Church are Satan’s spawn, write the Church (or not) as you feel so inclined. I’m all about honoring your agency. I’m merely asking the Church to show support for members’ rights to honor our agency as well. Without that support, Latter-day Saints will find themselves unable to “qualify” for religious exemptions to vaccines.
An official statement acknowledging that people have the right to determine their own medical care would help members deal with each other with more compassion and understanding. Most of us already know that we have that right, but based on some of the comments, some people believe that God supports any and all vaccines produced by America’s legal drug cartels.
I have found little to be gained by arguing with people who view this issue differently than I. I am months behind schedule in completing my second book on genetically modified organisms. I’ve got to get back on schedule, which means I may or may not respond to further comments. I maintain the right to delete any comments that are egregiously malicious, but thus far I’ve posted every comment . . . regardless.
If you feel inclined to metaphorically burn me at the stake for apostasy, so be it. But focusing on me or my (un)worthiness or the state in which I reside detracts from the deeper issues at hand.
Please remember that we are in unison on wanting what is best for our families, even though we may disagree on how to achieve what is best.
Many organic blessings to each and every one of you!
Brett
Dear Bro Brett
Yes, your way of putting it to the Brethren might seem harsh – i myself might have put it in a more reconcilitory manner, however… looking beyond that, at the subject at hand, harmful vaccines with little or no information, sometimes no choice, we have a duty to warn others, saving lives, raising the alarm, hopefully waking up the masses will sometimes needs a louder voice (not a whisper), more of a prominent action.
I keep wondering, those who oppose you, how many of them have really studied the subject, read the links and watched the movie BOUGHT. I dont think many as it really is a no brainer,
To the Pro Vaccine group, from cradle to grave, i plead with you to first go and do your home work, its shocking what is going on and the masses are living in complete ignorance and bliss whilst it is stealing their liberty and lives daily. The rest of us is not so much Anti Vaxxers, but Pro-Vaccine-Information so we have an opportunity to make an informed decision for ourselves – that is Free Agency and Liberty .
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs
Dear Brian.
The vaccination topic has perhaps become the most controversial medical debate of all times. Now that autism has skyrocketed to one in 68 kids, people are sitting up, so should you.
Who’s studies are fake is the million dollar question. I have personally requested info from Merck Pharmaceuticals numerous times on their vaccine claims, that proven scientific benefits outweighs the risks. They initially corresponded, but once i asked for scientific proof, silence fell.Worrying, is it not ?
Once and once only, when you have studied the links below,(and there are dozens more) will you only begin to understand the widely perpetrated fraud of conspiring men as mentioned in D&C 89:4. Then it’s time for the toughie, guidance, fasting and prayer.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs
All the best.
The conspiring men are those who spread false rumors to scare parents from vaccinating their children, and put everybody at risk. See my comment below.
To all our Pro Vaxxer Brothers and Sisters
I received the following link from a Professor from Wisconsin today
Here’s something to ponder from the measles debate:
http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/zero-u-s-measles-deaths-in-10-years-but-over-100-measles-vaccine-deaths-reported
Some false rumors just won’t die!
—There have been few, but not zero, deaths from measles in recent years
2 in 2009 [http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr59/nvsr59_04.pdf pg 17]
2 in 2010 [http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf pg 34]
—It’s silly to compare the number of deaths from measles after the disease has been nearly eliminated. Alternatively, over a hundred thousand die each year in other non-vaccinated parts of the world.
—Most importantly- the VAERS data doesn’t say anyone died from the vaccine.
“When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.” [https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index]
I went and checked the source. Sure enough some babies died after taking the MMR vaccine… by drowning in a bathtub, or being suffocated while co-sleeping, and a whole bunch of other things.
If you’re willing to falsely exploit the deaths of children to advance your agenda, there’s no question who the “conspiring men” are. That’s something to ponder about.
Here is one more point of view that has been validated. Science has determined that your DNA can register memories and emotions then pass them on to a fetus in a mother womb. If this is true then think about the many vaccines loaded with the DNA coming from aborted fetal cells of babies that were harvested right after the fetus was aborted in the most inhumane way. http://tinyurl.com/owqz2xw – In other words the fetus could have been crushed or torn apart in the mother womb then they harvested the fetus cells at the point of its highest frequency of terror, fears and hysteria. Then they inject this into a new born child. Can we say mad science? Here is the CDC’s List of Ingredients – http://tinyurl.com/25s65v – WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts Will your childs developing emotions and childs DNA ever be the same.
A few years ago I received a confirmation via a post by Dr Russel Blaylock. I was wanting to find confirmation that the viruses and genetic materials from vaccines are being past on from generation to generation and found it. “New studies have found that SV-40, a major contaminant of the polio vaccine until 1963, not only existed as a latent virus for the lifetime of those exposed to the vaccine but was being passed on to the next generation, primarily by way of sperm, something called vertical transmission. This means that every generation from now on will be infected with this known carcinogenic virus.” So what we now need is a way to detox, rebuild the damage cells and feed the body the needed nutrition to regain our original DNA. http://tinyurl.com/pjb2eo7 – The good news is that we have found a natural way to stop the passing on of these bad genes mutations. Learn more here:
http://tinyurl.com/lyzjvh9 – Then pm me if you have questions
You do realize that almost every food you eat contains DNA, right?
Roberto, much appreciated
This is the kind of information the Presidency needs to evaluate
The spreading of fear i mostly observe from those who insist we HAVE TO VACCINATE, or else… !
The Pro-Vaccine – Information requesters are using their Agency and asking the Brethren to relook into it and give guidance. Nothing in life is static, and as more reliable science becomes available, opinions will inevitably change, its normal.
Its not about who is right or wrong, but what is the TRUTH and how to we keep our members informed and protected.
God bless us all in this search for answers
Correct Bro Cassady, hence the huge concerns with all GMO foods and the problems with it surfacing day by day.
Lets take hands and let the Brethren enquire of the Lord
Nothing in life is static, only the TRUTH
Would you support a ban of DNA in our food?
Worth the watch for the safety of our children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPTxDzsVvyY
Dr.Andrew Wakefied truly cared about the children and he continues to help them. Another great documentary to watch is Brian Deer and the GMC, Selective Hearing. He is a man of great principle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q62DcaNs_0M
You can not deny the evil in this industry!! It makes me sick. When will people wake up?
Excellent short video, Andre. Thanks for posting.
Thanks to the people who have sent me email messages in support of my letter to the First Presidency. Following is one such message. The author gave me permission to post it anonymously for her as follows:
Brett,
I couldn’t agree with you more, & feel the same! I do not believe vaccines come from Heavenly Father or he sent us here in the last days with incomplete immune systems!
I wish I would’ve listened to my mother’s intuition, my older kids were vaxed up until age 10, my oldest had the high pitched screaming after his vaccines, high fever, & so stiff & sore he couldn’t move. The Dr. gave the typical response of give him some Tylenol, & it’s normal. Around 14 his right side of his chest started to protrude out further, a surgeon said it doesn’t require surgery even though it protrudes quite a lot, & recently a Google search of pectus excavatum came up as vaccine related, MMR timing & polio VAX; which in 1997 he was given the OPV….it infuriates me! He & one of my daughters also have allergies, skin issues, & eczema. All 5 kids including myself have a latex allergy, son #4 I stopped vaccinating him after a Dtp & MMR, & #5 my daughter is VAX free, but is still allergic to latex & has asthma. (Tylenol connection)
No one understands the damage vaccines do, & epigenetics is just now being understood!
Again, I just want to say thanks for your letter, your feelings & belief on this are shared! I’ve been busy having to write Reps & Congressmen because here in NM they are trying to take religious exemption away! I came across a site with a bunch of quotes by doctors, & this one stuck out to me & reminded me of your letter. Maybe you could post it in another blog:
It is hard for many to give up their beliefs regarding vaccination as allopathic medicine has been cleverly set up as a crypto-religion using the authority ploy with God as Modern Medicine, and vaccination as the Holy Sacrament.
“Vaccines have become sacraments of our faith in biotechnology in the sense that 1) their efficacy and safety are widely seen as self-evident and needing no further proof; 2) they are given automatically to everyone, by force if necessary, but always in the name of the public good; and 3) they ritually initiate our loyal participation in the medical enterprise as a whole. They celebrate our right and power as a civilization to manipulate biological processes ad libitum and for profit, without undue concern for or even any explicit concept of the total health of the populations about to be subjected to them.”—Richard Moskowitz M.D. http://whale.to/a/hoax.html
Keep up the good work,
Whale.to? Really? The folks who brought us this:
“The lead article for the September issue of the Mormon church has an interesting item starting off the piece. A stylized mobius 666. What this is and says, is obvious.
One, it puts Anti-Christ energy on the piece, the ultimate hex for the readers.
Two, it makes sure that those in “the know” understand what Mormonism is really all about.
We see this kind of thing everywhere. Everywhere”
Don’t miss the March 2013 article, “Mormons Testify of Human Sacrifice!”
I don’t know anything about the website whale.to that you are attempting to use to discredit the quote you refer to.
But I will say this. If one could use something such as an inference about association with a website to discredit a point of view, I would not be throwing stones if I were you. I can presently think of 19.2 billion reasons not to. That is the amount of dollars that the vaccine industry has been fined by the government for fraud and other illegal activities.
If there is something inaccurate or untrue about the post you refer to, please feel to address it instead of trying to use guilt by association as a tactic to win an argument.
What is it about the post that you disagree with?
Brett needs a lesson in citations.
Citations are meant to provide evidence for a claim. If the citation isn’t credible, then using the citation becomes meaningless (or deceptive).
Some, in fact, many, of Brett’s citations actually contradict his article, but I’m assuming he never actually read them- he just copy/pasted the citations from some other anti-vaccine propaganda piece.
If you want examples, I’d be happy to provide them.
Stunning synopsis of current culture of vaccine madness. Read or watch it now!
“In 2015 after a handful of measles cases were identified at Disneyland, suddenly Americans are being asked to surrender civil liberties. We are being asked to discriminate against and condone extreme societal sanctions against fellow citizens, 7 including removing religious and conscientious belief vaccine exemptions from state laws 8 9 so children cannot attend school without 49 doses of 14 federally recommended vaccines by age six and 20 more vaccinations by age 18. 10
How did a handful of measles cases at Disneyland turn into a full-scale assault on civil and human rights in America?” — Barbara Loe Fisher
http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/March-2015/the-vaccine-culture-war-in-america-are-you-ready.aspx
To all who so vehemently defend your position, I appreciate that you are standing up for truth as you see it. And that is your right and responsibility to stand for truth in a Christlike way.
I hope you understand that we are quite familiar with all of the quotes you have shared that show the brethren’s support for vaccines. You really are not telling us anything we don’t already know, and haven’t known for at least the past 37 years.
But what you are espousing as doctrine is an OPINION of the brethren on vaccines- not a REVELATION on vaccines.
I have heard many use the, “A prophet does not have to say ‘Thus saith the Lord'” argument in support of your position. And that is correct- a prophet does not have to say those words to be inspired. But he DOES have to be INSPIRED to be inspired. Sometimes our leaders speak under inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and when they do it is scripture, for that is how we receive scripture. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” 2Timothy 3:16
But when prophets of God speak their opinion, and don’t claim revelation (as is the case with vaccination as verified by Church Headquarters), then those words are what they are- the opinion of very good men that should be seriously considered. And we have considered them, and we have followed them without question, and without supplication to verify the efficacy of those opinions.
However, the brethren’s opinions about a medical procedure don’t change the truth about the dangers of vaccination. They don’t change the wide swath of death and destruction left in the wake of the vaccinated- yes death and destruction and heartache. And it doesn’t change the truth about the pseudoscience of vaccines that has never been proven to be safe or affective. These facts are ADMITTED on the vaccine inserts themselves- that there are no studies proving their efficacy, and also a long, long list of side effects that routinely affect those who vaccinate. Sadly enough, we have been given the truth by the purveyors of poison, and we still swallow it like a pill without ever counseling with the Lord.
My faith is strong enough that the human imperfections of our leaders does not affect my testimony of them as God’s appointed servants on earth, and the leaders of Christ’s very own Church. And it should not affect yours either- because the brethren will be the first to admit that they are subject to human error.
Even if the brethren also mirror what Joseph Smith said- that despite his human imperfection there is no error in the revelations- it does not apply to vaccinations. Why? Because I asked church headquarters personally whether or not the recommendation to vaccinate was a revelation or opinion, and was told that the brethren have emphatically stated that it is their opinion based upon their observations.
One simply can not exalt the opinion of the brethren into revelation from the brethren without their consent. I have verified personally that they have offered their opinion on this subject, and that revelation has never been claimed. I don’t know if they have ever inquired of the Lord on this subject. What I do know, however, is that according to them it is their opinion based upon their observations. If they claim revelation, or if they choose to inquire of the Lord, I would be most pleased to know what the Lord says on the subject.
You simply can’t have it both ways. You can’t say the brethren are fallible, and at the same time dismiss ANY possibility that they are mistaken in their opinion- especially an opinion on a subject that has nothing to do with the doctrines or ordinances of salvation.
As has been so succinctly expressed by these Apostles and Prophets:
“President Wilford Woodruff is a man of wisdom and experience, and we respect him, but we do not believe his personal views or utterances are revelations from God; and when ‘Thus saith the Lord,’ comes from him, the saints investigate it: they do not shut their eyes and take it down like a pill.”
– Apostle Charles W. Penrose, Millennial Star, v. 54, p. 191
“And none are required to tamely and blindly submit to a man because he has a portion of the priesthood. We have heard men who hold the priesthood remark, that they would do anything they were told to do by those who presided over them, if they knew it was wrong; but such obedience as this is worse than folly to us; it is slavery in the extreme; and the man who would thus willingly degrade himself should not claim a rank among intelligent beings, until he turns from his folly. A man of God… would spite the idea. Others, in the extreme exercise of their almighty authority have taught that such obedience was necessary, and that no matter what the saints were told to do by their presidents, they should do it without asking any questions. When Elders of Israel will so far indulge in these extreme notions of obedience as to teach them to people, it is generally because they have it in their minds to do wrong themselves.”
– Apostle Charles W. Penrose, Millennial Star, v. 14, no. 38, pp. 593-595
Doug, you’re using a prophet’s statement to prove that prophets’ statements are not always valid. That’s called the stolen concept fallacy. It’s as absurd as claiming that the FDA’s vaccine inserts prove vaccines are dangerous when you’ve already discredited the FDA . . .
Sue- the general authorities statements on the subject are what they are. It is up to you to judge for yourself their true meaning.
Your circular reasoning is quite amazing to me.
You reject my point of view- which is your prerogative. But then when I back up my point of view with the words of two of the sources that you TRUST MOST IMPLICITLY- and that you have used to validate your opinion- you reject those as well.
“When I back up my point of view with the words of two of the sources that you TRUST MOST IMPLICITLY- and that you have used to validate your opinion- you reject those as well.
I worry about your reading comprehension. Show me where I rejected Elder Penrose’s message. I’ll wait . . . Can’t find it? You don’t have the remotest idea of what I think of his message. The point of my comment, and I think you know this, was to evince your fallacy of proving your argument with a method that you have already discredited. Otherwise, really? You were just trying to prove to ME with sources that I trust? That’s . . . weird. In any case, reading comprehension. I have never, ever said that the statement on vaccines was revelation. I have never said that every utterance of the General Authorities was inspired. What I have done is try to refute arguments that clearly contradict Church doctrine by using quotes. I’ve never once said anything about my personal beliefs about those quotes. You don’t know who or what I trust implicitly.
“I have never, ever said that the statement on vaccines was revelation. I have never said that every utterance of the General Authorities was inspired.”
“’I’ve never once said anything about my personal beliefs about those quotes. ”
If I am mistaken about your opinion and point of view (which I highly doubt because you have certainly not minced words when it comes to expressing them) than what exactly are they?
If I have misrepresented your position, what ARE your personal beliefs about the statement on vaccines? What are your personal beliefs about those quotes?
“I asked church headquarters personally whether or not the recommendation to vaccinate was a revelation or opinion, and was told that the brethren have emphatically stated that it is their opinion.”
I have a couple of questions about this. First of all, why do you believe “church headquarters”? I assume you spoke with a Public Affairs employee. Why do you so readily accept her word? Isn’t it possible she was just stating her opinion?
Second, this may not apply to you, but several commenters have said they have received personal revelation not to use vaccines. If that’s so, why the need to call Church headquarters? Why would you worry about whether the First Presidency statement was revelation or opinion? Why would you worry about what others thought about your choice? Wouldn’t personal revelation supersede all that? And once you’ve received that revelation, why would you need to search out “facts” to confirm the danger of vaccines? Do you doubt your revelation? And why publicly proselytize to others? Isn’t personal revelation meant just for you?
From Sue,
“I have a couple of questions about this. First of all, why do you believe “church headquarters”?”
Those in Public Affairs at Church Headquarters are the brethren’s public mouthpieces- that’s what a public affairs department does. Their job is to speak on behalf of the brethren. They are not permitted to speak their own opinion.
Those people have dealt ad infinitum with this question, and that is why she did not even take the time to allow me to read the entire quote that was in question. She just stated emphatically that the vaccine recommendation from the brethren are entirely based upon opinion, and not revelation.
Do I really need to explain this? I mean really? You seem like an intelligent person. I’m sorry to say that you are leaving the impression of grasped straws.
From Sue, “why the need to call Church headquarters? Why would you worry about whether the First Presidency statement was revelation or opinion? ”
Once again- you are an intelligent person. But nevertheless I will answer. I called church headquarters because there are those claiming that the recommendation to vaccinate was an edict from God, and that anyone who chose not to follow that edict, or questioned it, were disobeying God and on a slippery slope to apostasy.
“Why would you worry about what others thought about your choice?”
Not worried.
“Wouldn’t personal revelation supersede all that?”
Yes.
“And once you’ve received that revelation, why would you need to search out “facts” to confirm the danger of vaccines? ”
You’ve got this a bit backwards. Revelation comes AFTER searching, pondering and praying. Not before. So it is with this subject. our revelation?”
“Do you doubt your revelation?”
No, I don’t doubt it. I would ask the same of you, but I don’t know if you have ever inquired of the Lord on the subject. Have you?
“And why publicly proselytize to others?”
If you saw millions of your brothers and sisters suffering and dying every year, needlessly, would you remain silent???
“Isn’t personal revelation meant just for you?”
Do you have a testimony of the Gospel? Is that meant just for you? Do you not have a desire to share your testimony and knowledge with others so that they may have the same blessings you enjoy?
You say- trust the brethren on the vaccine issue. Opinion, schminion. If it comes out of the brethren’s mouth it is Gospel truth.
Trust the pharmaceutical industry. And amazingly enough, trust the government.
Then when the brethren say follow us, yes- but gain your own testimony of anything we say- you dismiss that. Which in and of itself is amazing considering you have asked us not to dismiss their words.
Then when the people who sell the vaccines admit they are unavoidably unsafe, you dismiss that.
Then when the government of the US says in the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 that vaccines are:
“products which, in the present state of human knowledge, are quite incapable of being made safe.”
You dismiss that as well.
Then you dismiss all of the raw data and facts that associate vaccines with untold injury and death- if in fact you have researched it with an open mind at all.
Nothing left to do but agree to disagree.
“The church is not so much concerned with whether the thoughts of its members are orthodox or heterodox as it is that they shall have thoughts. One may memorize much without learning anything….
“And while all members should respect, support, and heed the teachings of the authorities of the church, no one should accept a statement and base his or her testimony upon it, no matter who makes it, until he or she has, under mature examination, found it to be true and worthwhile…”
– Apostle Hugh B. Brown, “A Final Testimony,” from An Abundant Life, 1999
I think that statement was just Hugh B. Brown’s opinion . . .
No, that couldn’t be. That is impossible. Everything the brethren say is the word and will of the Lord. They don’t have opinions.
I assume you’re mocking me with this comment. Could you show me exactly where in my comments I claimed that *everything* the Brethren say is the will of the Lord and that they don’t have opinions? Thanks.
LOL, Sue- no, I am not mocking you, and I am sorry if I gave you that impression. Just responding with what I saw as the same sarcasm you did.
In answer to your question, your entire position is based upon an assumption that the brethren’s position on vaccines is not just an opinion, but is the word and will of God. Period.
Do you not know how to use the search feature, Doug? Show me where I said that the statement on vaccines is the word and will of God.
So are you saying that the brethren’s statement on vaccines is NOT the word and will of God???
What exactly are you saying, Sue???
I think Brett and others have done a good job of expressing our position- albeit not a popular or generally accepted one. I have answered all of your questions.
You say that I am misinterpreting your position. Fair enough.
What is your position, and how is it different from what I have enumerated?
And to those who are surely to accuse me of trying to cast doubt on the Brethren, nothing could be further from the truth.
I am suggesting that you counsel with the Lord in all of your doings, and increase your faith in God and His chosen servants through personal revelation and the witness of the Holy Ghost- without which no man can know that Jesus is the Christ, or know the truth of anything- let alone all things.
I have an idea!
Vaccines will be completely voluntary, but there will be mandatory prison sentences for anyone who publicly spreads lies about vaccines.
Great idea, Brian!
Let’s broaden it to include all pharmaceutical companies. And let’s base the prison time on the criminal and civil fraud penalties. Nothing crazy, something like one day of prison for every $1000 penalty. In the past 5 years, drug makers have paid the US government $19.2 billion in criminal and civil fraud penalties. That would result in 19.2 million days of prison time. Or 52,602 years.
or about a month per employee… but seriously, I’d be all in favor of harsh punishments for disseminating misinformation.
This includes what you’ve written. Want to take a guess at how many falsehoods I’ve counted in your own article? I’m not including any opinions, just the verifiable facts.
Brian, the only reason I allow you to post on my blog is because I believe in the freedom of speech, yours included.
The world you espouse has already found expression in totalitarian, fascist, and communist regimes throughout the world. You and people like you scare me, not because there’s any substance to your claims, but because you relish gutting your own constitutional right of free speech. Who do you propose to declare the “truth” in your dystopia? I assure you it would be neither you nor I. It would in fact be the same criminals who are stripping us of our rights across the country at this moment. In the world your envision, the first day we meet in person may be the day we are thrown in the same jail cell. Be careful what you wish for.
You’re scared of people debunking false rumors?
Come on now. Even your own references contradict you. Want some examples? (As someone who claims to be pro-information, you seem pretty scared of it)
Alma 1:12
12 But Alma said unto him: Behold, this is the first time that priestcraft has been introduced among this people. And behold, thou art not only guilty of priestcraft, but hast endeavored to enforce it by the sword; and were priestcraft to be enforced among this people it would prove their entire destruction.
Brett is not concerned that you have an opposing opinion. Just that you would enforce it by the sword.
Nope, that’s not what I said.
The scriptures themselves indicate some pretty harsh punishments for those who deceive and aren’t repentant.
The war on families making selective and informed vaccination decisions continues to rage in state legislatures across the country. As of March 11, 2015, NVIC is tracking 110 bills across 36 states! [Scroll down to see a list of all the bills.]
There is no coincidence regarding common bill language removing rights appearing in bills across the country. This is an orchestrated legislative effort by those who want to force vaccination. Deadlines to file bills are happening now and committee hearings are starting to kick into full gear. Some bills are surging forward and immediate action is needed while in other states, active opposition and education has made a profound impact to slowing the bills down.
http://www.nvicadvocacy.org/members/National/ActionAlertDetails.aspx?itemid=649&Page=True
To Sue and all those who still wonder about vaccine safety and consistency, what follows will be very enlightning.
Its not vaccines in general thats the problem, its that greedy Industry has taken something ‘good’ and Gadiantonized it with upscaling products to increase sales with unsafe ingredients, causing world wide harm to our Children- and now they want to silence alopathic scientists with a conscience who are speaking up.
This is what Bro Wilcox is wanting to bring to the attention of the Brethren. I have done the same from Cape Town South Africa via our Area Office (Elder Carl Cook) who has been very kind and helpful. Bro Wilcox’s frustration is quite evident in his tone in his letter to the medical fraternity that advise the Brethren, understandably so, even though a bit harsh. He is human, yet a caring person non the less who has raised a warning flag after much study and deliberation.
Let us all be patient , the Church is a big vessel that takes time to turn around. With the latest CDC, FDA and Pharmaceutical revelations regarding fraud and vaccine misrepresentation, the TRUTH will always surface, be it now or later. Who better placed than the Brethren to council and advise when membership raise genuine concerns. This is a Church of activity,(think of Missionary work, genealogy etc) not passivism.
My Bishop gave me excellent council and a talk by Elder Neil A Maxwell. I will copy three links in to support the above soon. May God bless us all as we raise the bar and look out for one another and patiently await for His anointed to council us all via General Conferences. This is His work and His Church and nothing will destroy it as we await His second coming with turbulent times ahead, as prophesied.
Christine, well put
As much as i agree with you, modern medicine also helps, especially with trauma and serious injuries. Both can go very well, hand in hand with Natural remedies as quoted by you from Alma. Satan knows this, hence putting his tentacles everywhere, even using the Internet for bad. We need to be discerning and Spiritually switched on, as even the elect could be deceived.
Well written, many thanks
Yes, that is what I was saying. I am also thankful for the advances in modern medicine in cases of accidents and other needs where surgery is required. We do need both.
Sue and to all others
Hopefully what follows will be useful and help us and our children to make informed decisions as we use our eternal agency;
We need to be patient, God’s time is mot mans,” Indeed, when we are unduly impatient with an omniscient God’s timing, we really are suggesting that we know what is best. Strange, isn’t it—we who wear wristwatches seek to counsel Him who oversees cosmic clocks and calendars.
Elder Maxwell’s Talk: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1998/10/hope-through-the-atonement-of-jesus-christ?lang=eng
Congress, U.S. Supreme Court Say Vaccines Are “Unavoidably Unsafe”
Knowing this, Congress in 1986 (132) and the U.S. Supreme Court in 2011 (133) declared vaccines to be “unavoidably unsafe” and shielded drug companies from all product liability. (134) If you or your child are injured or die after vaccination, you cannot hold the drug company that makes and profits from the vaccine or anyone who regulates, promotes, administers or mandates the vaccine accountable in a civil court of law in front of a jury of your peers .
Hence the payment of over $3 billion to vaccine injured children –See National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act – 1987
Some interesting considerations that follows, You be the judge as we safeguard our children and grandchildren
http://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/book/?GCOI=60239104128420
http://www.naturalnews.com/048987_Vaccine_World_Summit_Andrew_Wakefield_MMR.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048987_Vaccine_World_Summit_Andrew_Wakefield_MMR.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048986_CDC_vaccine_injury_perjury.html
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/048974_vaccines_culture_war_medical_tyranny.html#ixzz3UFcofJYI
http://www.naturalnews.com/048974_vaccines_culture_war_medical_tyranny.html
I’m guessing you didn’t actually read the Supreme Court decision. I did.
First, the Supreme Court members disagreed about whether vaccines were “unavoidably unsafe” and second, the court uses the term “unavoidably unsafe” in the same way performing CPR is unsafe – that you might bruise or break somebody’s ribs in the process of saving their life. Indeed, the court affirms that vaccines are effective at preventing disease and saving lives and that they are safer than not being vaccinated, contradicting the author’s point. Perhaps the author should have read his own source.
The Truth Behind Vaccines
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQsVTlMsQrI&w=1920&h=947%5D
The Truth Behind Vaccines
https://www.youtube.com/embed/PQsVTlMsQrI
This reminds me of those “The truth about the Mormons!” videos that anti-Mormons like to share.
Is your position so weak, Brian, that you need to resort to scare tactics like associating a video of PhD’s and scientists speaking out on vaccines to anti-Mormoms propaganda?
Scare tactics, smear campaigns, half-truths, misinformation, and personal insult after personal insult. Now who is sounding more like the anti-Mormons in the tactics they use? This video or you?
To All our Brothers and Sisters concerned about vaccines in general
The best advice i can give is contained in the links below. Yes, there are good vaccines, however others have downright harmful ingredients, DO YOUR HOMEWORK .
I am in South Africa and received good council from SLC today. The Brethren will make the right decisions when all has been considered, trust in the Lord.
http://vactruth.com/2014/01/28/toxic-levels-of-aluminum/
http://www.naturalhealth365.com/vaccine_dangers/aluminum-toxicity-1049.html
http://lds.about.com/od/The-Bible/fl/Avoid-Attempted-Ark-Steadying.htm
All the very best
Andre du Plessis – South Africa
Hi,
Just wanted to share this with anyone who’s interested.
In the Book of Revelation, see chapter 18, verse 23:
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. (Revelation 18:23 KJV). Emphasis mine.
The word translated “sorceries” in this verse is Strong’s Greek word # 5331 “pharmakeia” from where our English words, pharmacy, pharmacist and pharmaceutical are derived. This same word is translated “witchcraft” in Galatians 5:20 speaking of the works of the flesh which we have been commanded to avoid.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, (Galatians 5:19-20 KJV). Emphasis mine.
We can learn much by the symbols used to represent different organizations. Medicine as we know it is an ancient pagan religion. The symbol representing the American Medical Association and the World Health Organization is the symbol of the pagan god ‘Asclepius’ known as the ancient god of medicine.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius
From the Wikipedia article, (link is below) take a look at the words at the beginning of the Hippocratic oath, an oath which requires a new physician to swear upon a number of healing gods.
“The original Hippocratic Oath began with the invocation “I swear by Apollo the Physician and by Asclepius and by Hygieia and Panacea and by all the gods …”[5]”
According to Wikipedia:
“The Hippocratic Oath (Greek ὅρκος horkos) is an oath historically taken by physicians. It is one of the most widely known of Greek medical texts. It requires a new physician to swear, upon a number of healing gods, to uphold specific ethical standards. Of historic and traditional value, the oath is considered a rite of passage for practitioners of medicine in many countries, although nowadays the modernized version of the text varies among them.”
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
Even though the oath varies today, it does not change the origin of the oath or the origin of the cult of medicine. The government endorses this ancient pagan religion.
The word “oath” is synonymous with covenant according to Webster. We are to be in a covenant relationship with our Creator not pagan gods.
Polytheism is not just the worship of more than one god but also the belief in more than one god. See “pagan” according to Webster:
noun
1 : heathen 1; especially : a follower of a polytheistic religion (as in ancient Rome)
“Heathen” is synonymous with idolater, gentile and pagan.
The children of Israel went into captivity and were scattered amongst the nations for their disobedience to our Father’s law, specifically the first commandment to have no other gods.
Take this info and do with it what you will. We must all make our own decisions as we will all be accountable for our own decisions. I for one will totally rely upon our Creator for my health and will not allow poison (see the definition of poison below) to defile my body.
1 a : a substance that through its chemical action usually kills, injures, or impairs an organism
I love your sharing. Thank you so much! Vaccines has been worshiped like a god here in the United States. I am from Taiwan but has been lived here for almost 10 years. I realized I couldn’t criticize vaccines or even point out a different point of view here. No matter to a member or nonmember, people here so trust in vaccines. To me, this is so unbelievable. So many vaccines are used aborted fetus to make it, yet in our church, no one gives a warning to such evil practice. Indeed sad.
Hi Linda,
You are very welcome. I appreciate your reply to my post. I’ve learned some interesting things about the ingredients that are being used by pharmaceutical companies.
If you’re interested in looking further into the toxic ingredient issue, Google the term “Pharmazooticals.” I’ve read that high blood pressure is being treated with medications containing poisonous spider and snake venom which are administered in controlled amounts. My brother-in-law is a doctor in California, when he prescribes Warfarin and its coumarin relatives which are used as blood thinners he actually tells his patients he’s giving them rat poison.
It appears that one might find just about any ingredient in a pharmaceutical product today. I never thought I would see the day when people would pay to get a dose of poisonous venom to lower their blood pressure.
To Brian Casaday and other concerned Pro Vaccine-people
The toxicity of aluminium adjuvants found in vaccines, possibly causing autism and other neurological problems remains a huge concern – see latest studies
http://vactruth.com/2014/01/28/toxic-levels-of-aluminum/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2671833
Regards
Andre
Correct, thats why the Lord uses his good servants to raise the alarm, cause if good men do nothing, evil flourishes, hence the plea for transparency as to what goes into vaccines, what proper testing and research methods have been used and what damages it has caused to date with the already $3 billion that has been paid out so far, so we can protect our children
Excellent, and thank you. I have been wondering for a while where the church stands on this issue, because here in CA we are currently fighting the most stringent and overreaching mandatory vax bill in the country (SB277 Pan). If this passes we will not be able to educate our children in the state unless we fully vaccinate. To my knowledge, not one religious institution has come forward to oppose this bill. The Church spent MILLIONS to oppose gay marriage in the state, a right which hurts no one, yet we hear crickets from them on an issue that will be catastrophic to currently unvaxed or delayed vaxed kids, not to mention a gross violation of our basic human rights to parent our children as we see fit.
Please let us know if The Church has responded. They must be encouraged to get involved here before it’s too late. The bill has passed the health committee already through lies and manipulations by the authors, Richard Pan and Ben Allen. It will go to the education committee Wednesday, April 15, where we are hoping saner heads and hearts will prevail.
Thank you for doing what so many Mormons should have done months ago.
Julie, Thanks for your comments. I’ve been following SB277. Kudos to everyone who participated in the amazing rally at the capitol on 4/8/15!!! In Australia, they want to tie non-vax to financial penalties. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/anti-vaccination-parents-face-15000-welfare-hit-under-no-jab-reforms/story-fnpn118l-1227300073570
I hear the same is proposed in New Zealand. I recently became FB friends with an Aussie LDS woman who wrote a similar letter to the church, asking that it register in Australia as a church that supports members’ rights to abstain on religious grounds. Difficult times.
does Gay marriage hurt no one? what about those adopted, what about the welfare money that heterosexual families would have received. What about those cousins or other family members of those homosexual couples, that choose to become gay themselves and to not have children… upsetting the whole plan of salvation of bringing souls to this earth… I would say that it does hurt someone.. just maybe not you.
Ok, interesting letter, thread, and comments. My first comment: some of you have too much time on your hands!
Joking aside: you all claim to have science backing both sides, doesn’t that alone indicate that maybe you trust your faith a little more than your science? Do any of you on either side of the matter really think that there isn’t true science backing the stance that opposes yours? But even if there was only science backing one side, and it was the side that was against the current policy of the brethren, here is the real question: does the science matter, or does following the brethren matter?
Some examples that might help explain my position:
– When Abraham told Isaac it was God’s will that he needed to be sacrificed, was that going to be good for Isaac’s health? Science clearly shows that being sacrificed is bad for your health. Science didn’t matter in this instance; it was simply a test to see if Isaac would submit his will.
– When the people of Noah’s day were told to repent or the earth would be destroyed by rain, did it matter whether or not science could confirm whether or not a flood was likely? Science didn’t matter in this instance; it was simply a test to see if the people would submit their will, forsake their sins, and repent.
– When Joseph Smith told people that he had seen visions and been led to gold plates that he translated into scripture, and that the gospel was being restored to the earth, did it matter whether or not science could confirm whether or not those things really occurred? Science didn’t matter in this instance; it was simply a test to see if the people would submit their will, abandon their old religions, and follow a new prophet.
– When Naaman was counseled to wash in the Jordan River in order to be healed of his leprosy, did it matter whether or not science confirmed that such a procedure could or couldn’t cure leprosy? Science didn’t matter in this instance; it was simply a test for him to submit his will, and follow guidance from the prophet.
This list of stories demonstrating the importance of following priesthood leaders goes on and on. I realize that some of the stories seem to have little to do with the issue at hand, but I think the underlying principle is important to remember: we are on this earth to be tested. The result that our Father desires from the never-ending tests that we face is that we follow the guidance from our priesthood leaders, regardless of the outcome that we or scientists expect. If that is the course of action we choose to take, we can sleep easy at night knowing that whatever results from following the brethren is what is best for us. Harm might come to us or to our families; after all, this is a terrestrial world in which we live. But don’t let that destroy your faith, for it is the only thing that matters.
Before I am accused of being a science-hater, please know that I love scientists, doctors, and all those that work hard to learn as much as they can for the betterment of mankind. That is a noble profession for sure. I have a degree in computer science from a top university in the US, as well as a M.S. in the same field and I am currently pursuing my second graduate degree (this one is in the arts). I am not trying to toot my own horn…I understand that many/most of the people commenting on this thread are more educated on the subject than I. I love research and learning, but I do not use scientific research as grounds for questioning the brethren. Rather, I enjoy seeing science catch-up little-by-little to what God has revealed through his servants.
For me the answer is to follow the guidance of the brethren on this matter. They are not taking away my agency, but allowing me to use my agency to follow their guidance. If the church issues a statement on a particular subject, they aren’t taking away my agency, I can use my agency to choose whether or not I will follow their guidance, and I will be accountable for the results of how I choose, right? If something bad happens to my child as a result, could it be that it was that child’s time to go? Or his/her challenge to face? I hesitate to post that statement knowing that some of you have experienced just that situation, and I can’t imagine what a challenge and trial that would be. I don’t intend my comments to be hurtful to anyone in anyway. I am truly sorry for any of you that have had such experiences, and do not judge you for how you handled them…likely better than I myself would have.
I understand that we should not all follow the brethren blindly, and that we should seek a spiritual CONFIRMATION for ourselves. The key there is to ask for the spirit to confirm within us what is counseled by the brethren, not to propose a different solution and seek confirmation that our opposing opinion is correct, correct?
For the record I am a father of 4, all have been vaccinated completely (to include some extra shots for our time spent living in inland China) BUT we didn’t follow the exact schedule suggested by the CDC, etc. They received no shots at the time of birth, began receiving shots around 1 year of age and followed an accelerated schedule to get them caught up after that. I don’t believe this course of action to have been against any of the counsel of the brethren, whether you want to classify their counsel as opinion or revelation, it is counsel nonetheless. If I missed something and it is against their counsel in some way then I plead innocence=) Our reason for delaying shots was so that we could better assess any adverse reactions they may have had to shots, which we think is much easier to do with a child that can at least communicate a little bit. I understand that there are negative risks associated with vaccinations.
I don’t think it’s right to accuse the brethren of being beguiled by Gadianton Robbers, or to try to force them into changing their position on this matter. My understanding is that revelation for the church isn’t bottom-up.
Another good litmus test for these types of issues (although it doesn’t really matter because all that matters is following the brethren) is: what would happen if EVERY single person on earth did the same thing that I am choosing to do? What would the effects be on society? For example, if everyone chose to abort their children, what would happen to humanity? It would cease to exist. What would happen if everyone chose to live a homosexual lifestyle? Humanity would cease to exist. What would happen if every child on earth was vaccinated? There would be less childhood suffering overall, although a very small percentage of people would have adverse side effects, even including death. What would happen if everyone stopped vaccinating their children? We would go back to the plagues of yesteryear. Sure, if all of humanity had the ability to eat a perfect diet (whatever your idea of that may be) and all of humanity was able to live perfectly clean and hygienic lives, the plagues would not be as bad as the dark ages. But guess what, much of the world’s population still doesn’t understand those principles of hygiene and sanitation, and doesn’t have access to your perfect diet, so the plagues would happen. For now let’s get vaccines. If the brethren are moved upon at some point to change their stance then let’s follow that guidance as well.
All of the examples you gave were commandments given by God. The church has not commanded us to go any particular path with vaccinations. I think that is so we are free to choose for ourselves.
Thank you for this well-written article! I am a faithful member of the LDS faith, holistic health practitioner, and homeopath in training. I see God’s hand in my life in so many ways, especially my journey to health and wellness. Vaccines are not on my list of healthful practices. Anyone who is interested ought to read “Joseph Smith and Herbal Medicine” & “Joseph Smith and Natural Foods”. I use these books with their references extensively in my health classes.
Amanda,
Thank you for your comment and the references. Organic blessings to you!
“When the popular press, bloggers and medical pundits uncritically promote a study like The Lewin Group’s, it must confound researchers like Lucija Tomljenovic, Catherine DeSoto, Robert Hitlan, Christopher Shaw, Helen Ratajczak, Boyd Haley, Carolyn Gallagher, Melody Goodman, M.I. Kawashti, O.R. Amin, N.G. Rowehy, T. Minami, Laura Hewitson, Brian Lopresti, Carol Stott, Scott Mason, Jaime Tomko, Bernard Rimland, Woody McGinnis, K. Shandley and D.W. Austin.
They are just a few of the many scientists whose peer-reviewed, published works have found possible links between vaccines and autism. But unlike The Lewin Group’s study, their research has not been endorsed and promoted by the government and, therefore, has not been widely reported in the media. In fact, news reports, blogs and “medical experts” routinely claim no such studies exist.
The disparaged scientists include well-published neurologists, pharmacists, epidemiologists, immunologists, PhD’s, chemists and microbiologists from places like Boston Children’s Hospital, Horizon Molecular Medicine at Georgia State University, University of British Columbia, City College of New York, Columbia University, Stony Brooke University Medical Center, University of Northern Iowa, University of Michigan, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Arkansas Children’s Hospital Research Institute, Al Azhar University of Cairo, Kinki University in Japan, the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, Swinburne University of Technology in Australia, Institute of Psychiatry and Neurology in Poland, Department of Child Health Care, Children’s Hospital of Fudan University in China, Utah State University and many more.” — Sharyl Attkisson
http://sharylattkisson.com/what-the-news-isnt-saying-about-vaccine-autism-studies/
It used to shock me to the core to see complete denial of something even when faced with undeniable facts, and then my husband reminded me of the theory “cognitive dissonance.” When something is too troubling or conflicts so greatly with a firmly held belief, it’s natural to deny it because the truth would be too unsettling to accept.
“When a person who already believes strongly about something is presented with evidence that is contrary to their belief, they can tend to react in one of, or a combination of three ways; ignore the information (citing that it is irrelevant or blatantly wrong), rationalise the information or belief (citing that their view allows for this information or that the view is correct still by citing other unrelated information, or that they’ve always believed what they believe so it must be true) or react strongly against the information (stating that their already held beliefs and information like it are the only truth, anything to the contrary is false). http://martinspribble.com/2010/07/denial-cognitive-dissonance-and-confirmation-bias/
Those who defend vaccines take all information from the CDC as truth. Studies that found “no link” are just that – studies that found no link. You should note that the only vaccine that was ever studied by the CDC was the MMR – there are many others on the schedule and most often, they are given in combination with other vaccines. The only ingredient ever studied by the CDC was Thimerosal. There is now plenty of scientific studies (not epidemiological studies like the CDC’s) proving the toxicity of ethyl mercury, how it causes neuron death and neurological damage. You will not find what you don’t won’t to find. Or more to the point, as stated by Dr. Thompson, sometimes you find what you don’t want to find and you cover it up. Studies that found a link are just that – studies that found a link. The CDC has not contested any findings by other researchers. On the CDC website regarding Thimerosal, it says “no reputable study” has shown it to be unsafe. They attack scientists hired by the CDC, the National Institute of Health, and prestigious universities without ever actually addressing the scientific findings presented that prove harmful effects of vaccine ingredients. We now have three senior CDC scientists who have admitted vaccines can cause autism. DeStefano and Gerberding (now VP at Merck) regarding the Hannah Poling case and children with underlying heath conditions, such as mitochondrial disorders, and now Dr. William Thompson, who issued his statement August 27th. It is not a scam or phony. Congressman Bill Posey’s office has confirmed he is receipt of boxes of documentary evidence of fraud in the vaccine safety program. Rep. Posey’s office has also confirmed, to me when I called twice now in the past month, that the House Oversight Committee, now chaired by Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz, a member of the Mormon Church, has not agreed to hold a hearing to investigate. I suggest that everyone in support of vaccines contact Rep. Chaffetz and urge him to investigate with no further delay. The safety and health of our children should be everyone’s priority and the only function it serves to attack those who question is to further pad the pockets of Pharmaceutical companies and pave the way for countless more liability free vaccines mandated for our children with no concern for their safety. The mainstream media, funded by Pharma advertising, has done everything possible to detract Americans from the true issues. If Fox or CNN reported day and night about the lawsuits against Merck for fraud in the MMR research or shared news of Dr. Thompson’s confession, would you feel differently?
Tons of good info in your comment, Ann. Thanks for sharing! Yes, cognitive dissonance as well as confirmation bias are just part of being human. It’s so easy to see it in others and often so hard to see in myself.
For those who are interested, my main focus for the past couple of years has been the multiple problems and the endemic corruption in the biotech industry and the commercialization of genetically modified organisms. My 15-year old son and I ran across the USA in 2014 sharing GMO-free seeds and discussing GMOs with virtually everyone we met. I just completed my 2nd book in which I expose more of the lies Monsanto uses to promote its products. If you don’t know about GMOs, please learn. The issue is every bit as important as the vaccine issue. Stephanie Seneff, the scientist who provided the first endorsement in my book, speaks of a synchronicity of toxicity between aluminum from vaccines and glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup. We all eat Roundup and glyphosate is now found in mothers’ breast milk. I would be honored to have you read my book and, if you do, please write a review on Amazon. Reviews make or break authors. Your review will encourage others to learn more about the multiple problems associated with the biotech industry and genetically modified organisms. Organic blessings to you!
http://www.amazon.com/Were-Monsanto-Still-Feeding-World/dp/1511742690/
Primate researcher Laura Hewitson conducted a vaccine study with monkeys. They were given the same vaccines children received from 1994—1999, in doses for their size and age. The vaccinated monkeys developed autistic symptoms; the unvaccinated group did not.
That’s the study people keep begging the CDC to conduct in humans, the study the CDC refuses to do.
I do not agree with the content and manner that everything was said; but, I do agree that calling for church members to vaccinate their children without at least throwing in a generic clause such as, “as the Spirit dictates” or “between you and Heavenly Father,” or even by giving some specific vaccines; I have to believe that I am misunderstanding what the First Presidency is trying to convey to me and to my family. I KNOW that there are some very dangerous vaccines in the world and that everyday more and more vaccines are created… And I also KNOW that the First Presidency would not ever knowingly ask me to harm my children. So I must conclude that a parent’s choice to vaccinate their child should be solely their choice; doctor, government, or church, should dictate what vaccines a parent’s child should be given.
I loved your letter! I found it while searching for information to include in a letter of my own to the First Presidency. This is very well-written, accurate, and quite honestly tame compared to many other articles I’ve read, both for and against vaccines. Thank you very much for the time and hard work you put into creating this!
There were two factors, however, that I was hoping you would include or say more about, but did not. Now, I don’t mean this as criticism of this fantastic letter; I’m just pointing out a couple things that I was watching for, but didn’t see. The first is in regards to the Word of Wisdom. You referred to how the pharmaceutical industry certainly qualifies as “evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days” (Doctrine and Covenants 89:4), but you don’t demonstrate ways in which vaccines violate the Word of Wisdom. I cannot see how coffee, tea, and tobacco can be against the Word of Wisdom if deadly substances like “neurotoxins, heavy metals, animal tissues, genetically modified organisms, live or attenuated viruses, cleansers, adjuvants, stabilizers, preservatives, etc.” are not. Furthermore, the promised blessings for abiding by the Word of Wisdom can be readily seen in those who choose not to vaccinate:
“And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;
“And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;
“And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint.
“And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.” (Doctrine and Covenants 89:18-21)
The second factor I wish you had included is regarding the Greek word “pharmakeia” in the Book of Revelation, chapter 18, verse 23. In context, and with my own remarks in brackets, verses 21 through 23 read thus:
“And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon [or the wickedness of the world] be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
“And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
“And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth [the criminal elite?]; for by thy sorceries [or, in Greek, “pharmakeia”] were all nations deceived.”
I find the obvious connection between “pharmakeia” and “pharmaceutical” to be very interesting, and definitely worthy of further investigation.
None of this is to say that your letter was lacking or somehow necessarily needed to mention these things! I was just wondering if you had considered these things, and then I wanted to share these with you in order to benefit you and anyone else who might read this comment. Thank you, again, for all you did to write this up! If you have not received a response from the Church yet, I hope and pray that you will, and that it will be very positive for you and everyone.
Jason, Thank you for your comments. I’ve never thought of vaccines at a W of W violation, but the concept certainly makes sense. Other people, including my brother, have written about the sorceries/pharmakeia/pharmaceutical connection. The more I study, the more I believe such to be the case. And yet, I recognize that millions of people–myself and my family included from time to time–receive real benefits from pharmaceuticals.
I’m flying to Utah to hear Dr. Andrew Wakefield speak on October 2nd.
Why? The vaccine industry targeted and attacked Wakefield the same way the biotech industry targeted and attacked Dr. Arpad Pusztai. Undaunted, Wakefield remained true to his research and to his word. And he did it with grace, class, and dignity. When asked how he tolerated such profound intolerance, he stated it was never about himself; it was about alleviating the suffering of vaccine-injured children. And although you’ll never hear this from mainstream media, his research is now backed up by at least 28 additional studies by medical professionals, world-wide.
I don’t know anything about Wakefield’s religious or spiritual beliefs, but when an industry defames and slanders an individual as it did and continues to do to Wakefield and that individual responds with love and forgiveness in accordance with the highest Christian values, I want to be in his presence, not just to learn more about the myriad problems with vaccines and the corrupt vaccine industry, but to learn how such a man actually manages to love his enemies. Millions profess a belief in doing so, but it seems that only a handful are able to do it.
Great people inspire great changes. Wakefield’s work, integrity, and courage have already resulted in lifesaving changes for thousands of vaccine-injured children. Many more will yet be saved.
I look forward to meeting Dr. Wakefield. And if you’re able to attend, I look forward to meeting you as well.
7PM, Friday October 2, 2015
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I want to say thank you for your letter. You help me say what I want to say long time ago. I sincerely pray church leaders will read this letter. Please keep us updated when you hear from church leaders.
Thank you so much for speaking out.
You’re welcome, Linda. Thank you for your response. No response from the Church yet.
Dr. Andrew Wakefield recently spoke in Utah. He leaves no doubt: the vaccine industry and the CDC are rife with corruption.
Wakefield concluded with a call to action: Contact Congressman Jason Chaffetz, the Chairman of the House Oversight & Government Reform Committee. Ask Chaffetz to subpoena the #CDCWhistleblower, Dr. William Thompson.
“Whether you believe vaccines cause autism or not, you have a moral obligation, obligation as a citizen and parent not to allow this to stand. This must come before the Oversight Committee. You have the power to make that happen right here in Utah. That is your duty, that is your obligation. The future of this country and the future of the world is at stake.”
Full video, transcript, and Chaffetz’s contact information are at this link:
http://wp.me/p2YHQx-16a
#CDCTruth #DrAndrewWakefield #SubpoenaWilliamThompson
Actually, “God is pro-vaccine and choosing not to vaccinate is in violation of God’s will.” You couldn’t have said it better yourself.
With respect, how can one reject such an eloquent, measured, and thorough analysis with nothing more than an unexplained and unsupported expression of a personal opinion? It is entirely your right to believe what you will, but I’m grateful that most people do NOT base their conclusions on personal preference or opinion alone. If, on the other hand, you have well-documented and well-reasoned arguments, by all means let us hear them. Thank you.
Are you able to back that statement up with Scripture? Are you able to point us to the verse that states HE is pro-vaccine and choosing not to vaccinate is in violation of His will? Where might we locate Scriptural authority to inject poison into our bodies and the bodies of our children? On the contrary, have you ever heard “If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him”? In the original language the Greek word translated “defiles” is to “spoil” which is synonymous with “poison”. Mercury and many other toxic vaccination ingredients are known poisons. You are clearly adding to Scripture, your statement is false, but I will provide some evidence showing that defiling/poisoning the body is what HE really CONSIDERS A VIOLATION OF HIS WILL and we are told that HE promises to destroy those who do so.
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.
The New King James Version (Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1982), 1 Co 3:16–17.
25 PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC Studies from the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health that link Autism to Vaccines-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25377033
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24995277
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106436
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21299355
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21907498
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339848
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17674242
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15780490
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12933322
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870260
http://link.springer.com/ref…/10.1007%2F978-1-4614-4788-7_89
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19043938
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142947
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24675092
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198681
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
This COVERUP may not be too surprising as the corporate media is owned by the major vaccine manufacturers, and the major vaccine manufacturers are owned by corporate media(1)(2)(3)(4). Given this fact, it’s easy to fathom the possibility that these institutions are desperately trying to protect the reputation of their product.
For example, if we take a look at GlaxoSmithKline and Pfizer, they are owned by the same financial institutions and groups that own Time Warner (CNN, HBO etc.) and General Electric (NBC, Comcast, Universal Pictures etc.).(1)(2)(3)(4)
This is seen throughout all of the major vaccine manufacturers and all of the 6 corporations that control our mainstream media. Keep in mind that these are the major funders of all ‘medical research’ that’s used to administer drugs and vaccinations. Despite these connections, PLENTY OF medical research and documentation exists to show that vaccines might indeed be a cause for concern.
(1)http://investors.morningstar.com/ownership/shareholders-major.html?t=GSK
(2)http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=twx+Major+Holders
(3)http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=ge+Major+Holders
(4) http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=pfe+Major+Holders
(5)http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full
(6) http://www.ebcala.org/unanswered-questions
(7)http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/07/07/courts-rule-mmr-thimerosal-containing-vaccines-caused-autism-brain-damage/
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html
TIn the current National Vaccine Schedule, in the first 6 years of life, every infant receives the following Vaccine Ingredients:
• 17,500 mcg 2-phenoxyethanol (Insecticide)
• 5,700 mcg aluminum (a known neurotoxin)
• Unknown amounts of fetal bovine serum (aborted calf’s blood)
• 801.6 mcg formaldehyde (carcinogen, embalming agent)
• 23,250 mcg gelatin (ground up animal carcasses)
• 500 mcg human albumin (human blood)
• 760 mcg of monosodium L-glutamate (causes obesity & diabetes)
• Unknown amounts of MRC-5 cells (aborted human babies)
• Over 10 mcg neomycin (antibiotic)
• Over 0.075 mcg polymyxin B (antibiotic)
• Over 560 mcg polysorbate 80 (carcinogen)
• 116 mcg potassium chloride (used in lethal injection to shut down the heart and stop breathing)
• 188 mcg potassium phosphate (liquid fertilizer agent)
• 260 mcg sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)
• 70 mcg sodium borate (Borax, used for cockroach control)
• 54,100 mcg of sodium chloride (table salt)
• Unknown amounts of sodium citrate (food additive)
• Unknown amounts of sodium hydroxide (Danger! Corrosive)
• 2,800 mcg sodium phosphate (toxic to any organism)
• Unknown amounts of sodium phosphate monobasic monohydrate (toxic to any organism)
• 32,000 mcg sorbitol (Not to be injected)
• 0.6 mcg streptomycin (antibiotic)
• Over 40,000 mcg sucrose (cane sugar)
• 35,000 mcg yeast protein (fungus)
• 5,000 mcg urea (metabolic waste from human urine)
• Other chemical residuals
(From the book, “What The Pharmaceutical Companies Don’t Want You To Know About Vaccines” – By Dr Todd M. Elsner)
Many of those additives are not in the vaccine for any specific vaccine related use-many Doctors question why something such as Sodium Borate would be added to a vaccine given that it serves no purpose in the vaccine but it DOES target testosterone levels and destroys them. This additive is in the two forms of the HPV Vaccine and the MiB Vaccine which are recommended to be given to children right before they reach puberty. Is this a form of sterility. I cannot believe that a Church who had such a forward looking prophet as Joseph Smith will willingly recommend that their young men and women become sterilized and unable to have children. Given that the young working adults with families are the main group that tithes to the Church, I cannot believe that the Mormon Leadership would advocate that children stop being born to it’s members.
http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2016/02/the-puzzling-presence-of-borax-in-our-vaccines/
If you are concerned about formaldehyde in your flooring, but have no problem with injecting it into a tiny infant, I have to question your judgement. However, I fully support the people who wish to play Russian Roulette with their children’s health. If their children are sterile or have autoimmune diseases or get one of the 60 million vaccines contaminated with SV-40, as Simian Cancer Virus, at least they made that choice themselves and can live with the consequences. MIT Researchers predict that 1 in 2 American Children will be severely Autistic and be unable to care for themselves, work in a meaningful job, and certainly will never marry or have children. Currently 1 in 18 two year olds are at that level. Will the Mormon Church be able to survive when half of it’s congregation are infertile, brain damaged and unable to have a family. Will the parents caring for this horribly disabled children have the money to contribute toward the Church’s good works? Maybe a forward thinking leader from your Church should pray for direction for wisdom as leaders in the past have had.
Somehow the argument for or against vaccinations became the topic. As I read Brother Wilcox’s letter, I felt his request was for the First Presidency to give us, as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a choice for ourselves and our children if we choose to be vaccinated or not.
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How safe are vaccines and allopathic practises in general – is that the only road to Rome, or is is perhaps pot holed compared to other natural/alternative high ways leading to Rome if only 2% studies are used for Evidence Based Medcine and the rest ‘discarded”
You decide
https://www.academia.edu/340490/Deconstructing_the_evidence-based_discourse_in_health_sciences_truth_power_and_fascism
These (there are 3) are now available on YouTube.
I posted the links on Sept 28, 2016 (see below).
One of my degrees is in the health sciences. I have studied the vaccine issue in depth and have come to the conclusion that the truth is exactly the opposite of big pharma’s propaganda: “The Risks out way the benefits”.
My daughter who has always been an extremely healthy eater and college athlete decided on her own to go ahead and get vaccinated for the first time in her life so that she could serve a mission. As soon as she got vaccinated and on her mission her lips begin to swell with large painful blisters. She also became very sensitive many foods. I have no doubt there was a direct correlation. My dilemma is that my son will be leaving on his mission next year. I have heard of elderly couples who sign waivers so they don’t have to get vaccinated even when going to countries like Africa. Does anyone know of any exemptions or ways around pre-mission vaccinations?
You do not have to have vaccinations to go on a mission. I have had 3 daughters go without them but chances are they will get called somewhere in the states. One went to Virginia, one to Florida & one to Hawaii. It doesn’t matter where they serve though. I figure if they are supposed to go out of the states, Heavenly Father will provide a way!
Watch the movie VAXXED about how the CDC committed fraud on a 2002 MMR vaccine study. You can stream it for $3.99. Also watch the movie, The Greater Good about the HPV vaccine. I have met the Directors if these films. I am vaccine injured. I am an RN. Look up Senator Posey on vaccines and watch the videos.
Watch for FREE…
Vaccine Nation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8nrdybZZzA
Vaxxed, the ‘forbidden’ documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQXaIIjJRVU
Silent Epidemic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTjvX6s2Jvk
They are a corporation they incorporated with the government and to please them they follow sadly even at the expense of our agency and the health of our children. .. by their fruits you shall know if a person who declares themselves a prophet is indeed a true prophet or false prophets. … ultimately your decision is between you and God as is your coming to christ it’s individual and very personal. ..
We live in the days of the fulfillment of Nephi’s vision second Nephi 28 21 and that of moroni’s in Mormon 8 while you are at it do read second nephi 26 29… for they set themselves up to be a light unto the world for praise and gain and they seek not the welfare of zion….
Thank you for sharing. My thoughts exactly. One thing I would have included is the risk of contracting something like SV40 from vaccines. I will be formulating my own letter. I cannot say thank you enough!
You’re very welcome, Nina!
Every person of faith would benefit from viewing this 17 minute video.
As Marcella Piper-Terry said, “You really cannot be pro life and pro vaccine.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=RU2BDZL3OFY
I applied for a religious exemption from vaccination. In my application I did not affiliated myself with any organized religion. I simply wrote that I have a strongly held personal belief that my body is a temple for the Holy Spirit and quoted scripture that no unclean/contaminated substance shall be put in or mark shall be placed on my body. After my vaccine injuries I truely understand God’s warning in the scriptures.
Good that your employer respected your religious exemption, Nancy!
A few lawsuits have set the precedence.
Brett Wilcox, thank you for all you do. I am LDS and live in Montana and work with Montana For Medical Freedom to educate and lobby legislators and gov officials on the risks of vaccination and Constitutional right to informed consent. I have wondered if the First Presidency or Bretheren ever responded to your letter? I have all of your boooks. Love the GMO one! God Bless
Sis Nicole Giacomini
Thanks for all you do, Nicole!
No response from the church.
Wow. Sorry to hear that. It was an incredible letter. I was hoping they would respond. If vaccines are safe and a good thing, why has the CDC paid out over $3 Billion in vaccine injury cases? This would give any ‘advocate ‘ pause and spark need for review.
The church put out the following video a few months after I sent my letter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYmid8EmOOE
The Church is as mislead as the rest of the population.
Wow. That video is disturbing and so inaccurate. I can’t wrap my head around the ignorance here. the additives, metals, msg, preservatives and valent combo shots have caused more injury and death than measles. Plus we are funding the most grotesque big pharma industry that harvests aborted fetal tissue for massive profit, experimentation and vaccine development. Sick.
And this is what BYU nursing students are taught:
“Reasons to Immunize,” BYUNursing, June 19, 2013, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYDzOy36zk0.
Wow I am RN and that video made me throw up a little in my mouth 🙁 My nursing program never shoved that baseless propaganda down my throat :-€ BYU needs to truth science up! Just read the scriptures and you know God has commanded us to put no unclean thing in our bodies or mark upon our bodies!
Unbelievable misinformation that can no doubt cause serious injury or death! Choose facts? Like ‘your child can receive 100,000 vaccinations at once with no side effects?’ And this has been tested on what infants? Adults? BYU volunteers perhaps? Horrific propaganda. Savior have mercy. Wake these folks up! No link between vaccines and autism??? Ask the thousands of parents whose children cannot function anymore immediately after vaccination- permanently damaged….or read the actual manufacturers inserts that LIST Autism as possible side effect…or look at the compensations awarded with autism correlation from the CDC’s vaccine court. And the $3 Billion paid out for vaccine injury. I guarantee no one has ever had 100,000 shots at one time and lived. Any BYU professor want to be the first to prove their FACTS true?
Former global health public health vaccine researcher here and LDS. Know too much, and, continued letters to the first presidency stating the facts will be essential. There is another agenda at work here (the global health community) under the guise of the now ‘endless’ vaccine schedule. To date, there have been NO longitudinal randomized experimental studies PROVING any long term safety of the combined effects of vaccines over the life of a child. It is the adjuvuncts, and in particular, endrocrine-disruptive agents, and, toxins like aluminum, that easily pass through the blood brain barrier and that cause neurological damage that we must be concerned about. A US child now receives 64 jabs before his mid teens – the HEAVIEST vaccine schedule in the world…… We are playing Russian roulette with an entire global population.
Bret, I am a chiropractor and like you pointed out in your letter, have been influenced in my decision making on the church’s position related to vaccines despite the general standing against vaccines by my profession. However, I recently watched the nine part series put on by Patrick Gentempo DC on vaccines revealed. Dr. Hooker is interviewed amongst others on that series. It is clear that many of us have been deceived. As LDS people we can be naïve in our tendency (which is admirable but can be dangerous) to want to see the good in everyone. Anyway, I am in a personal dilemma now. I am trying to sort this all out for myself.
One thing I learned is that the statistics that come out of the CDC are almost always manipulated and presented in a bias or slanted manner to the public. For example saying that based on a control group a particular vaccine is 50 percent effective in stopping a particular disease when in reality we are talking about 2 people in the study getting an infection in the placebo group vs 1 person getting infection in the vaccinated group out of 100 people. Then finding out that many of these placebo studies are not placebos at all because the placebo has been tainted with adjuvants and other additives. Anyway my question relates specifically to that youtube video you posted on measles and vaccines and the church’s contribution to that program. Can you tell me about the statistic they are referring to on measles. Something like 70 percent reduction in death rates since 2000 due to implementation of vaccination. Where does that statistic come from specifically? Additionally, it is my understanding that the measles childhood disease is relatively benign except in pregnant women. Could you address if in fact children are dying from measles itself or more to secondary problems from the conditions of living and sanitation etc.?
I know now that I need to do the research on this myself and figure these talking points out but if you could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.
Since writing this letter, I was wondering if you are aware of any dialogue or consideration of these matters with church headquarters? I recently sent two missionaries to South America and they were heavily vaccinated. My son has been dealing with a lot of skin problems since then and my daughter – hair loss. Both of which are part of the side effects of immunizations. I know the brethren or good and guide as correctly but I am having some personal questions of how to balance this information and what my role is as a member working in the health field with a belief that God gave us this ability to be self healing with proper nutrition, spiritual feeding, exercise, service and through Priesthood blessings. One has to ask the question – why does Utah have one of the highest rates of autism? Anyway, finally, I am really upset to find out that by public outcry Thimersol was taken out (mostly) of the regular schedule vaccines for children her in the US and now we are shipping them to devolping countries for use (barbaric and ethically immoral). We as church members are helping fund this.
Anyway please let me know where that statistic comes from mentioned in the church youtube video if you know. Thanks
Keep researching D.C. and you will find your answers. I am an RN and I am vaccine injured. My daughter is vaccine injured. For what and at what cost? So we don’t get chidhood illnesses such as the mumps or measles or Whooping Cough that my parents lived through? So my children don’t get chicken pox which I lived through? Polio doesn’t happen in the States anymore and tetnus is extremely rare. Measles has not killed anyone in the States for about 20 years but nearly 30 deaths have occured from the MMR vaccine (thank you MERK Pharmaceuticals). Thimerosal is still in vaccines. They claim it is not in the single dose influenza vaccine vials but it still is and even though they claim this is a “small amount” it is still 3,000 times over the EPA’s standard of toxic levels for drinking water yet directly injected into our muscle hence our blood stream makes that ok? Absolutely not. Where there is a risk there must be a choice. Informed Consent today is not what it should be. Vaccines induced injury is not rare. Utah has the highest rates of Autism because Mormons are obedient and do what they are told. It is time Mormons have an awakening and do their own research. The rest of the world is far ahead of them in that regard. I hope you find your answers. It sounds like they are in the form of your son and daughter, right in front of you. I am glad you watched the series. It was done well.
A Naturopathic doctor friend met with the church’s consulting medical advisor who said in effect that the church follows the CDC schedule. I don’t know where the measles stats came from. I do know that measles was characterized as a benign childhood diseases back before the measles vaccine was created. Measles deaths were exceedingly rare in the USA. Why is the the same disease benign in the USA and a killer in a third world country? The answer, of course, is that people in developing countries are impacted by poverty, malnutrition, dirty water, stress, etc. They are, by definition, immunocompromised. They are the very people who, if they were living in the USA, would/should not be vaccinated because they are sick. Sick people should never be vaccinated. (“This is the first confirmed report of MuVJL5 associated with chronic encephalitis and highlights the need to exclude immunodeficient individuals from immunisation with live-attenuated vaccines.” https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309362332_Deep_sequencing_reveals_persistence_of_cell-associated_mumps_vaccine_virus_in_chronic_encephalitis) Immunocompromised is not a black or white thing. If public health officials required doctors to determine who is and who isn’t immunocompromised, they would open a Pandora’s Box, because the definition would attempt to turn infinite shades of gray into black and white. Yes, absolute vs. relative risk is a deceptive way of reporting disease incidence and vaccine benefit. Just part of the charade. I cover these topics in my book JABBED as do numerous other authors. I’ll connect you with my Naturopathic doctor friend if you’d like. Blessings to you,
That would be great thanks.
“By their fruits ye shall know them.” Any organization teaming up with Billy Boy is on the wrong side of God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064
Excellent letter! I’m an active member of the Church and fully support the content of this letter. As a retired Ph.D. research scientist my wife and I have talked about serving a mission together. Our only constraint would be not accepting “required” vaccines. We have studied the issue from a scientific perspective and have come to the same conclusions that you have come to. I support and sustain the Brethren. Nevertheless, people are human and can be influenced on this issue, if by nothing else, than the lack of time to personally study the issue from a scientific perspective, thus relying on others whose motives may be in question or whose research is incomplete.
That said, unmasking the malicious medical treatments from the pharmaceuticals only leaves the general public with a medical void. What is to replace it? We need an equal letter on the alternative to the pharmaceutical based mainstream medicine. Church members, in particular, would benefit greatly in discovering that there are successful treatments – scientifically based – to cure cancer, MS and a multitude of other illnesses. My wife and I have experienced these personally many times over. Bringing to light these alternatives would fill the void of “oops, no vaccines – now what?”. Brett, you would be the person to enlighten us about this topic as a perfect complement to your well written letter above. There are many church members who are NDs or MDs practicing Integrative Medicine. Why are they not included in health activities of the Church worldwide? I believe it has to be for lack of understanding and scientific knowledge that this is the case. Well, Brett, can you take another break from your GMO book?
Hi Frank, Sorry so slow responding to your letter. Thank you for your kind words. Many letters from many people and organizations will cause things to change. Your Ph.D. lends greater credibility to anything you submit to the church than my lowly credentials. Unfortunately, we’re all too hung up on authority. Messages should be judged on their own strengths and weaknesses, not on the credentials of the messengers. Merry Christmas!
Frank, please do not let not wanting a vaccine stop you from serving a mission. I too have great reservations of vaccines and I just sent a daughter out on a mission. If she had been called to go foreign, I was ready for a fight, but she received her call state side and refused the flu vaccine, which is allowable by church policy. That being said, we spend 10 months living in Spain with 3 of our children in 2012 and I developed a new outlook on missionary work in foreign countries.
We also plan on serving missions in our retirement, but we will refuse vaccines so we have decided that when it comes time to serve a mission, we will just move to where we want to serve, without the required vaccines, and simply approach the bishop and ask him to call us as ward missionaries. That will also allow us to be missionaries, neighbors, members of that society, artists, workers, whatever we want to be and be more creative in how we want to interact with the people around us and serve a little more creatively. We will not allow the vaccine policy of the church to deter us from serving. I do though still wish the church would allow parents to exercise their agency on how they would like their children to be “protected” or “not protected” by vaccines.
I was almost killed by a vaccine given to me in the MTC in September 1998. I’ve never been willing to get another one since. They’re evil. And you can’t sue the vaccine companies. What could be more corrupt? And they only confer immunity for 2 years or so – so for every moronic vaccine supporter (which people always cease to be when they or a loved one are maimed – or sometimes a kid is killed) who thinks vaccines are necessary for “herd immunity” – get this – there has NEVER been herd immunity through vaccination. It’s impossible because (1) vaccines are never 100% effective, and (2) if they were, you’d have to get the entire population vaccinated every two years with a particular vaccine. Unless you’ve received ALL vaccines in existence every 2 years, you’ve NEVER been immune to the various diseases like you think you’ve been since childhood. Learn the science. Oppose the fruadulent lies meant to make billions for people who are part of a corrupt medical system that profits off of people being sick, rather than creating health. Look up functional medicine. Get educated.
Jonathan, I am sorry to hear about what happened to you. You are not the only one. I have only though read of one other person that had a very bad reaction to the flu vaccine while in the MTC and one young man that died in Southern California from the vaccines he received to prepare to go on a mission. I am almost positive there have been many untold stories. Please readers, if you know of other stories, please share them where ever you can.
If you read the US code that grants immunity to the pharmaceutical companies and the doctors that administer the vaccines, 42 USC CHAPTER 6A, SUBCHAPTER XIX: VACCINES, nowhere will you find that immunity is granted to other entities that require vaccines that are not associated with entities that have been granted immunity. I am against frivolous law suits, but I would love to see an ambitious law firm take on the church or a school district or a day care facility that requires vaccination where a child is damaged because of their compliance with the required vaccine policy. If just one law suit is won under these conditions, it would change the whole vaccine requirement protocol of many organizations.
This entire vaccine issue is very intriguing, as it reveals human nature, and how easily deceived and gullible we are as a people. By nature, we are lazy-minded and want other people to do our research, and ultimately our thinking, for us.
All that anyone needs to discern the efficacy (or lack thereof) of vaccines is to use common sense and reason, and not rely on anyone else’s opinions, no matter if those opinions come from white-coated so called professionals or government authorities.
It amazes me that any thinking person (and perhaps therein lies the problem- not thinking for ourselves) would need to even question whether or not a plethora of known poisons and neurotoxins MIGHT damage the brain and kill when injected directly into the bloodstream of vulnerable children with undeveloped blood-brain barriers.
It amazes me that so-called thinking people would fail to even consider the fact that the theory behind vaccines is that exposure to PATHOGENS injected into the blood will cause the body to develop antibodies, and yet the vast majority of ingredients in the vaccines are known POISONS, most of which are known to cause brain damage. And among the long list of neurotoxins is mercury! One of the most neurotoxic substances on the face of the earth! Talk about a mad hatter!
There are all kinds of justifications and reasons given by those in authority for including neurotoxic poisons in vaccines, but the fact remains that if vaccines worked at all they would only need to be exposed to the attenuated pathogens to develop the desired immune response. But the truth remains that vaccines are a chemical cocktail of deadly and neurotoxic poisons.
Secondly, the vaccine industry admits that anyone receiving a vaccine “sheds” or spreads the disease as a carrier for up to two months after being vaccinated. How anyone could think it’s a good thing to make someone into a disease carrier for almost two months is beneficial to society- even if the vaccine worked for that one individual- is beyond reason and is foolishness at best. And whether or not that one individual develops immunity has never been studied! There’s never been a study comparing vaccinated AND unvaccinated children. Wouldn’t be hard to do- there are records of everyone who is and isn’t vaccinated. Or just go to the Amish who don’t vaccinate and use them to compare. Then again, since their unvaccinated children aren’t getting autism, perhaps one could just use their God given reason to surmise why instead of waiting for a Big Pharma sponsored study to rely upon.
The fact that the younger the child, the more easily damaged they are, should be an obvious red flag indicating the neurotoxins in vaccines are the cause of the brain damage because of their undeveloped blood-brain barrier of little children.
What? You mean injecting some of the most damaging neurotoxins known to man directly into the blood of young children with undeveloped blood- brain barriers causes brain damage? No! Couldn’t be! Why? Because the authorities say so, and we simply trust them without using the brain and intellect God has given us to look at the evidence and use our own powers of reason. Such as considering the data that almost all sudden infant deaths (SIDS) occur with a few hours to a week or two of vaccination. Or looking at the graph data showing that mortality rates did not change at all when vaccines were introduced, proving that it was improved sanitation and hygiene that caused the decline in these infectious diseases. What? You mean living in and feeding from your environment and water supplies infested with your own urine and feces can spread infectious disease? Say it isn’t so!
Yet, as a people, we sit in our sleep-inducing intellectual easy-chairs and let someone else think for us, and trust those in authority, ironically, at the same time recognizing that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men to abuse that authority once received! All is well. All is well.
We need to wake up as a people and think for ourselves, instead of letting others do it for us. For heavens sake, use the logic and reason that we were endowed with. There’s a reason why we were called “intelligences” before we were born to a loving Father and Mother.
I do believe that God will hold each of us accountable for the manner in which we respond to the truths we receive in this life (be they convenient or not). The notion that Latter Day Saints somehow are absolved from having to think about this Public Health vs Hippocratic Oath Health dilemma seems strange, given the lessons of Liberty so clearly taught and prophetically curated for our day. Thank you Brother Wilcox for speaking truth to power. I believe God knows the due diligence you’ve done, the sacrifices your family has endured, that evil and conspiring men do in fact continue to practice lies, priestcrafts and secret oaths … many times in the name of safety and health, and He knows the suffering of Children inflicted for gain; indeed for some, it might be better if God is indeed dead and doth sleep … for if He’s not, St. Matthew 18:6
Aaron, thank you for all you do regarding this matter!
WOW! What a great post (and responses) this is! Bro. Wilcox…thank you so much for sending your letter to the Leaders of the Church. It has always been a source of great concern to me as to how the Church could issue the pro-vaccine statements and productions that they have done? Though it may be that the vaccines and research back in 1978 were not as deadly or known back then?
A Bishop friend of mine, at the MTC, knows personally the M.D. who pushes vaccinations and who advises the Church Leaders on matters such as this. He has told me that man is severely brainwashed by his professional medical knowledge, and he doesn’t have a very high opinion of him at all. He said a friend of his told him that Elder Cook said, “The only way Church policy on this will change is we have to outlive the doctors.” That is very sad to me.
Thank you also to the many VERY intelligent persons who have responded to this post, and who have powerfully spoken the truth, even against those who have expressed their opposition here. I think especially of Amy, Doug D and Andre. Thank you so much.
It is literally mind-blowing to read the very poor, deficient and twisted arguments of those who have spoken in opposition to this post and are pushing vaccinations. True to form…all they can do is ridicule the scientific data and never read any of it themselves. I have been arguing of the extreme danger of vaccines to a member-friend of mine for the past 10 years. He has a bright mind, but he refuses to read ANY of the scientific studies I send to him. His only response is to attack the studies and the persons doing the research as ‘junk-science’, or, ‘not peer reviewed.’
I invited him to come hear Dr. Andrew Wakefield, when he came to Orem, and he just laughed in my face; would have nothing to do with him. He attacks Dr. Wakefield as a very disgusting criminal. He despises him. He says his research was flawed – (a LIE,) that he committed fraud in his research – (a LIE,) that the Lancet retracted his paper – true (but totally ignores the fact they did it under extreme duress by the pharmaceutical companies.)
I was standing right next to Dr. Wakefield after his talk, when he was asked, “Why does he keep doing research and speaking out publicly when he keeps getting death threats for doing so?” Without any pause he said, “Because your children are worth dying for!”
I know Dr Wakefield is a great man and is giving his life to saving our and everyone’s children. All the evidence, and published papers, given on this site are MORE than enough scientific proof that vaccinations are CAUSING all these terrible damages to the human body, including death.
Hang in there all you lovers of truth! President Benson often said, “Time is on the side of truth…the truth WILL prevail.” I believe this with all my heart…John
Oh my goodness, John Fox, what an insightful post! Thank you for sharing everything you did, and for standing up for the truth. I had no idea Dr Wakefield had said what you quoted. All I know is that he looks so drained compared to when he joined this battle years ago… I love that man and pray for him….
Trying to understand what you meant by the alleged comment from Elder Cook. I assume what you were saying is that that Elder Cook was was saying that the policy on vaccines won’t change until those General Authorities who understand the true dangers of vaccines outlive all those who don’t. I have no doubt that is true. Or, in other words, it won’t change until after those who promote the long established believe in vaccine efficacy pass on.
When I worked in a Stake calling closely with the Stake Presidency, I learned a lot about church government. It was actually fascinating and enlightening, and I was impressed how much love and prayers were behind every decision. One time in a meeting (this was probably over a decade ago), we were discussing temple recommend issues, and how anyone could steal there friend’s, neighbor’s, roomate’s or family member’s Temple recommend and sneak into the Temple unworthily. We discussed how easy it would be to make recommends more secure and prevent this sort of thing- which I know for a fact happens from time to time.
Well, I was a bit surprised when the Stake President casually chuckled, and said (based on his meetings with the Brethren) that the current policy will NEVER change until ___________ (an older member of the Twelve) passes on, because he is not big on technology. You see, the Twelve will not make policy, change policy, or accept any new revelation with absolute and complete unanimity. They all have to be in agreement, or they will not move forward. That is my understanding.
So what you said actually makes compete sense. This is not a slam on the Church or Brethren, whom I love and sustain as Ordained ministers for God- despite their human weaknesses that we all have. It is what it is. Our parents aren’t perfect either, but we are expected and even commanded, as children, to honor, respect and obey them- despite the fact that they are imperfect like the rest of us. So it is with them.
Thanks for that inspired and hopeful reminder from President Benson! “Time is on the side of truth…the truth WILL prevail.” I pray that day will come soon, because many of those great and noble spirits who president Benson said were preserved to come forth in the 9th inning of this great conflict, before the Savior comes, are being decimated. Of those who are not dead, brain damaged or diagnosed with Autism from vaccines, many who are considered “normal” are impaired and greatly attenuated in their mental and physical capacity. This is just a blood bath! What a travesty!
…and we are labeled heretics for telling the truth and standing up for the defenseless….
Time is on the side of truth… I will keep repeating that….
More and more scientists, Medical doctors, specialists and researchers are now questioning the safety and efficacy of vaccines
https://www.facebook.com/212472640067/posts/10161553112000068/?sfnsn=mo
https://www.facebook.com/100005746590138/posts/1066520673549476/?sfnsn=mo
More and more scientists, medical doctors and specialists as well as researchers are now questioning the safety and efficacy of vaccines in this 200 year old debate. – just too much evidence surfacing.
https://www.facebook.com/212472640067/posts/10161553112000068/?sfnsn=mo
https://www.facebook.com/100005746590138/posts/1066520673549476/?sfnsn=mo
I have a friend who is having trouble with a prophet that encourages the members to take vaccines, knowing that they are not safe, nor effective. He says a real prophet of God would not commit a felony by asking members to harm themselves by taking the covid vaccines. So, President Nelson is not a true prophet in his mind since he did encourage harm on the membership. Any comments?
Theo, your friend is not alone. Every generation faces similar quandaries. According to church doctrine, prophets are not infallible. But to actually suggest that the prophet has made a mistake or mistakes is verboten in current church culture. Everyone makes sense in such circumstances in their own way. This particular topic is frequently discussed among vaccine informed members of the church. Your friend may find it helpful to seek out such people and join the discussion.
We all need to hang in there. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. I’ve had some troubling times spiritually with this issue but have had the spirit testify to me numerous times that the church of Jesus Christ is where I should be. I would encourage faith, continued service and church attendance and in my case, under those circumstances, I received the spiritual strength I needed to hold on despite the church’s current position on vaccinations. I still have to bite my tongue quite often and stop the urge to walk out of a meeting, but I’ve also had opportunities to express my view point in on calm manner and be okay if people judge me as a fringe member because of it. In other words the Lord has fortified me despite the view point I have. I have come to realize that the there is doctrine and there is policy. My testimony lies in the Doctrine, Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon and most of Jesus Christ of which the others testify of as our Savior and redeemer.
I just stumbled across this letter…
It is very well written and I agree with everything you have said…
We all know church policy and church doctrine are two seperate things. I follow church doctrines but we all know policies can change and it is our obligation to research and make up our own minds regarding the matter. President Nelson said of the last days, “you will not be able to survive without the personal revelation and constant companionship of the Holy Ghost” I truly believe this is a personal matter and we need to be very wise in what we choose. Not follow blindly.
I think this letter should be sent weekly until someone takes notice. We should all be writing our own letters and sending them as well. The more that speak out, the more likely they will take notice and look into what we are saying.
I posted a second letter to the First Presidency yesterday at the link:
https://www.runningthecountry.com/the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-and-vaccination-policy-a-letter-to-the-first-presidency/